steve horowitz, the fourth. where does deidre's work figure in for you and there's a pretty good discussion of it. and i think there's something of a -- not a direct conflict but a challenge as you work through these notions. tell us about how her work about the development of bourgeois ethnics. >> a change of -- ethics. >> a change of how you think about commerce that makes the -- change starting in the -- dynamic change in the 18th 18th century take off in england and then spread around the world. and it's a -- i've watched many economists resist this, all push back. she writes a whole second volume saying all their theories that wasn't doesn't work, that one doesn't work, none of these answer. it has to be ideas that will explain this huge increase, this ten to 100 fold increase around the world of how our living standards. and so for her it's an idea, it's a ideology, not materialism, that can explain what happened in the last 250 to 300 years. that idea that it's about our mind is -- and it's in there, is a

, i first visited this wonderful institution in the company with two of my high school chums, steve horowitz and don fork, and we had just graduated from short ridge high school in indianapolis, and we had don's volkswagen bus and had simon & garfunkel's "america" ringing in our ears, and we went out in search of america. i'm still looking. [ laughter ] well, the boys were anxious to get to the climax of our trip, our final destination, the really golden dream at the end of the western rainbow for all young men, las vegas, nevada. [ laughter ] but i would not be a party to the trip unless we -- unless we visited first the black hills and then the little big horn battlefield and then here to cody, wyoming to -- to this museum, and they reluctantly agreed to -- to that, and they were perhaps not as delighted as i was by this institution in 1968, but they -- they pretended to be charmed. well, it's now been 49 years since i made that journey. 51 years from the time of buffalo bill's death until i made the journey, 49 years now since i did that, and my point to you is just how short our history

steve horowitz, and on fort. and we had just graduated from shortage high school, in indianapolis. and, we had dons volkswagon bus, and we had simon and nangarhar phone calls america, ringing in our ears. and we went out. in search of america, i'm still looking. well, the boys were anxious to get the climax of our trip, our final destination. really, golden dream at the end of the western rainbow. for all young men, las vegas nevada. but, i would not be a party to the trip, unless we visited first the black hills, then the little big horn battlefield. and then here. cody wyoming, to this museum. and they reluctantly agreed to that. and, they were perhaps not as delighted as i was by this institution in 1968. but, they pretended to be charmed. well, it's now than -- been 49 years. since i made that journey