in the early eighties steve jobs and bill gates are still under 32 key players in a rapidly expanding industry meteoric success stories for 2 very different personalities. robert cringely knew both men well he worked with gates and jobs starting in the late seventy's a former staff member at apple he switched to journalism and for more than 30 years has written about their rivalry with bill was always about the money with steve it was never about the money and money is nice but it was never about them i am so that that made them black and white you know up and down the whole they were there very very different people i hired steve jobs at atari when i think hughes 90 and. he was very sure of himself. and i was quick to judge whether he thought you were smart or dumb and if he thought you were dumb he. dismissive even if you were his supervisor he he was very good at knowing what he wanted and he would just steamroll you into doing it and he definitely relied on his instincts a lot he relied on his gut he talked about that all the time and that's a certain type of spiritual dimension o

david: did you meet steve jobs?arc: salesforce would not be the company that it is without steve jobs. ♪ david: you grew up in san francisco, is that right? marc: i am a fourth-generation san franciscan. david: were you a star student? marc: i was into computers. i worked at radioshack. 1979. i talked to my grandmother, and i said "i would like to buy one of these." she asked "how much is it?" i told her it was $400. she said she would pay $200 if i could make the other $200. i made the $200 and got the computer from her. i got a job. i was cleaning jewelry cases. i got fired. i did a terrible job. i wrote my first piece of software. 15 years old. how to juggle. by the time i got to college, i had written 10 software titles and i was making $1500 an month, which for high school is really good. i thought this was amazing. something crazy happened to me. i am in college at ufc, the super bowl comes on in 1984, i am enjoying the super bowl and there is this crazy ad. "1984 won't be like 1984." apple. i thought maybe i

i met steve jobs, and steve jobs ended up having a huge impact on my life, especially when i startedrce. it was a very, very meaningful and powerful relationship. and i would not be the person i am and salesforce would not be the company it is without steve jobs. david: now, when salesforce was started, you started a system of having people develop applications, apps, and you had the name of the app store. and then can you tell us how that evolved? marc: this was a really weird situation. in 2001, salesforce was 18 months old or something, and i got an invitation to fund something called college track, which was being put together by steve jobs' wife. so we ended up doing it. and then there was a dinner afterwards, and i was like, this is going to be some incredible, huge dinner. i go to the dinner, and she had forgotten to make a reservation, and it was packed. so steve is like, i'm not leaving until a table opens. now, i won't go into the aspects of his personality, but just know we weren't leaving. [laughter] so he's like, you want to see something cool? i'm like, yeah. so he take

david: did you meet steve jobs?p having a huge impact on my life, especially when i started salesforce. it was a meaningful and powerful relationship. i would not be the person i am and salesforce would not be the company does without steve jobs. david: you started a system of having people developed applications and you had the name of the app store -- can you tell how that evolved? marc: this was a weird situation. was 18, salesforce months old. fund an invitation to something called college track, which was being put together by s'wife.ob there was dinner afterwards and i thought "this is going to be an incredible, huge dinner." lorene had forgotten to make a reservation and it was packed so steve said, "i am not leaving until a table opens." i won't go into the aspects of has personality, but just know we were not leaving. [laughter] he said, "do you want to see something cool?" he takes something out of his justt and says, "i introduced to this last week. it is an ipod. i have 1000 songs in my pocket -- what yo

we have steve jobs jeans. we have lauren hill's jeans. can i show my favorites? one of my favorite pieces is not actually jeans. it's a leather jacket worn by albert einstein. >> oh, my gosh. >> this is the first time it has been on display. that is from the levi archives. basically, it has gone on many bis.th onevery special. >> einstein's jacket was something that he bought off the rack in a store? >> yeah, it's a beautiful leather jacket. he spent a lifetime wearing it. >> how did it go from einstein's literal closet wardrobe to the archives? >> i have only part of that story. the art director for levi strauss said it was going up for auction in london. she flew to london. she bid on it and was able to acquire it for the archives. >> that is a fascinating. does this travel? i know that the contemporary jewish museum does not house its permanent collection. how did this particular collection, about for the contemporary jewish museum? >> it was an inevitable exhibition. it really is everything we are all about. it is about the history of jewish san francisco, th

steve jobs is a good example of this. people have to eat, so entrepreneurs buy food etc. but steve jobs, supply cars prevent nobody wrote to him and said hasty, about making a phone that takes photos. and allows you to text has a built-in gps. no one did that. envisioned it. they built it. and he marketed it before we knew we couldn't live without it. so the enormous rewards that include to apple as a result is because they have done something that's when we think it is impossible, anticipated wanted in need even before we knew we wanted those things. this is the most successful ingenious entrepreneurs. not just the aim at a target and hit it, they aim at a target that rest of us can't even see. benjamin: also everyday mundane innovation 30 funding was a lower cost to serve customers all the time to great value. so if you miss wrap up. i would like to ask you the average american was watching this interview. concern with socialism spreading in the united states. i think about lease one, they can buy your book. to they could buy socialism and what you want to throw in ther

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steve jobs would probably roll over in his grave if he thought people i was going to a point would be in charge of the next iphone or what the next innovation should be. but i think we need smart resin galatian -- we need smart regulation. and the other thing with utilities is a guaranteed rate of profit. there may be some entrepreneur out there who has a better social media network that is coming up. so i am for competition, i am for innovation and entrepreneurship, but not in an unregulated way. and right now we have let the tech companies and technology in this country develop with the invisible hand and not really thinking about issues of equity and the impact that is having on our democracy. right now, there is regulation >>coming down the pike that tech companies pretty unanimously said they are not comfortable with, they think it goes too far. it is moving through the senate judiciary committee and was just passed in altered form, they altered the language to make it similar to a law you have long opposed. do you have oncerns about the act? >>i do. i would have to look at it in

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between capital and ideas that has been replicated in places like silicon valley where you have steve jobs is like a renaissance thinker meets venture capitalists right so you know it's the it's all they say it's all was darkest before the dawn well our inventors of this day and age 500 years after dementia are people like the life masters who can create it creates and invents a credit default swap and lo and behold here is j.p. morgan's assessment of the situation that we find ourselves in today she invented this credit default swap for j.p. morgan j.p. morgan concludes the world is drowning in too much debt for stocks to go down again partly because of credits of fault swaps this is the beginning of the explosion of global that it's now will be adding 16 trillion dollars in global debt household government and private sector so 35 percent of g.d.p. increasing global indebtedness is even bigger than the 20 percent of g.d.p. increase seen in the years after the lehman crisis so they're saying there's too much debt for them fed or at central banks to ever raise interest rates again as chis

regular regulators to understand the innovation that is required to make the next iphone and i think steve jobswould roll over in his grave if he thought that people would be in charge of figuring out what the next iphone should be or the next innovation should be but i do think we need smart regulation and the utilities is to guarantee greater profit. i don't want to entrance facebook but who knows there may be some entrepreneur out there that has a better social media network that is coming up and i am for competition and i am for innovation and entrepreneurship but not in an unregulated way. right now we have led the tech companies basically, we let technology in this country develop with an invisible end and not thinking about the issue of equity and the impact it's having on our democracy. >> so, right now there is some regulation coming down the pipe that tech companies pretty unanimously have said they are not comfortable with and they the [inaudible] act of moving to senate judiciary committee and this just past and altered form through the committee and they shifted the language to mak

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i think steve jobs would probably roll over in his grave if he thought people i was going to a pointf going to be in charge of victory over the next iphone should be what the next innovation should be. but i do think we need smart regulation or the other thing with utility, it's a guaranteed rate of profit. there may be some entrepreneur out there was a better social media network that is coming up. i am for competition. i am for innovation and entrepreneurship, but not in an unregulated way. right now we have led, let the tech companies basically, we've let technology in this country developed with the invisible hand is not really think about the issues of equity in the back it's having on our democracy. >> so right now there is some regulation coming down the pike that tech companies per unanimously had said that they are not comfortable with. they think it goes too far and that's the earn it act which is moving to the senate judiciary committee. it was just past and an altered form to the committee. they shifted the language to make it similar to allow that i know you have long op

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the course of history steve jobs a much better marketer bill gates for apple like a real fan of bill made software what it is today will change the world to high tech visionaries whose breakthroughs inspired the digital revolution. and gates face to face on al-jazeera. growing number of iconic brands are pulling there and those from states where we think it's going to lead them to rise in patagonia just sun the companies doing stuff for profit can and that's important strong advertisers to the way i think because for allowing whole range system violent and verifiable it's kind of rooted into a long term boy. hello i'm richard this person you're watching the listening post working from home here are the media stories we're covering this week facebook gets hit by a big brand advertising boycott designed to get hate speech off the site will anything really change. china passes a new law in hong kong that has journalists there running scared well read talking heads and the bookshelves the just lose credibility plus with all those racist statues getting taken down who or what will take th

google, facebook and then steve jobs from 1974 we have that explosion of migration from asia and mexico and india and all over the world so all of that opened up technological possibilities that i appreciated my second time around. so to be a genuine threat to climate change and also with renewable energy and that technological prowess that technology is the danger but is also the source that we need to make. >> thank you so much. our final question, how do you maintain hope for our society that has infected politics and society as a whole? >> very exuberant. my life is very rich and very full. >> and that doomsday clock chairman and executive committee and we pull out the doomsday clock. and now we are closer to the apocalypse. that closer to doomsday and the oak trees that are flourishing and just to be here and be a part of it. and so to think about it down the road do what you can do in the moment that you ask. >> thank you so much we will turn it back over to you. >> it is hard to top that i just want to say also thank you for participating. thank you very much. so i thank you for

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i think he is doing a fantastic job. steve, not just here, he is doing a good job for all americans, whether we are black, white, brown, and/or yellow, and he is doing a great job with trans international issues as well. host: when you look at the latest poll numbers come in abc poll/"washington post" pau has joe biden up by 16%. president trump turn things around? guest: i don't, steve, subscribe to those polls. [laughs] in 2016, all of the numbers did not reflect anything called accuracy. even into the night, when the votes were being counted, they still had then candidate trump down 12% to 14%. and then the map turned red. we are dealing with an economic fallout of the coronavirus, black lives matter, how do trump supporters c olicies that this president has put forth has helped all americans. host: i have to ask you about the public health threat of , because you have to admit there has been an issue, the president and the fox news issue, getting too conflicted sides to the issue. guest: i don't know. it is a very contenti

the tim cook regime taking a page out of the steve jobs play book.ccording to tech website the information, apple reportedly reaching a new stage in the development of augmented reality products, namely glasses and contact lenses. the information says it is working with fox com on producing semitransparent lenses that would be part of the gadgets. they are likely two years away. the silicon valley giant has also thrown its weight around with one app developer looking to unspam your mailbox. we introduce you to the real david in the david versus goliath tech battle. the co founder and ceo is here to tell us how the e-mail fires a winning stone from its digital slingshot. he's next on "the claman countdown". and etfs for any amount you choose instead of buying by the share. all with no commissions. stocks by the slice from fidelity. get your slice today. liz: a new report reveals fedex sent a private let tore the washington redskins saying it will remove all its stadium branding and signage unless the football team changes its name. fedex signed a 27-y

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explores prominent figures of the 20th century and how rivalries influenced the course of history steve jobsa much better marketer than bill gates apple is going to reinvent stuff all the old made software what it is today will change the world to high tech visionaries whose breakthroughs inspired a digital revolution jobs and gates face to face on al-jazeera. hello i'm daryn jordan and with a quick reminder of the top stories on al-jazeera ethiopia's military has been deployed to the capital addis ababa as armed gangs roam the streets in a 2nd day of unrest following the murder of a popular singer and activist more than 80 people have been killed during protests following i shall one day says death on monday meanwhile the therapist prime minister be ahmed condemn the killing i'm trying to link it to a dispute over a down with neighboring countries. could be one is the un security council is meeting to discuss the are nice on stem crisis the cessation crime took place it's a crime which an external force has participated and carried it out using a local force the aim is to prevent us from co

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explores prominent figures of the 20th century and how rivalries influenced the course of history steve jobs a much better marketeers than bill gates was apple is going to reinvent stuff all below made software what it is today will change the world to high tech visionaries whose breakthroughs inspired a digital revolution jobs and gates face to face on al-jazeera. part 2 of witness is coming up in a moment but 1st we'll check the headlines and tension remains high in ethiopia 3 days after a popular singer and activist was murdered a child who has been laid to rest following a funeral in his hometown of just west of the capital his political songs provided a soundtrack for anti-government protests that ultimately led to a new prime minister in 2018. rival palestinian groups hamas and fatah have said they will work together to fight against israel's an expansion plans for parts of the occupied west bank those comments come a day after the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu was due to launch the whole process that has been delayed as high level talks on the issue continue to be held and

steve: your job is, in part, offering this public health guidance, like dr. birx, dr.edfield, alex azar and others, some of whom will be on today's show, but your other job, part of your job, is the science, is actually looking and dealing with vaccine and vaccine development, as you have in the past. and we see this mad rush from derrida --ike mo novi -- and inovio and pfizer and others, and i guess my question to you is, how hardened are you or how confident are you that vaccines are going to ride to the rescue? dr. fauci: steve, i think the durable solution to what we're in right now has to be a vaccine. there is no doubt public health measures are critically important. but i think if you combine the public health measures with a vaccine, and just a comment about that since you brought it up, we're really cautiously optimistic that things are moving along quite well with more than one candidate. there are a number of candidates that are in various stages of development. the one that you mentioned, the moderna one, will most likely be going into advanced phase three

facebook, apple, steve jobs in 1874 so we did have an explosion immigration from mexico, india and all over the world so all of that opened up technological possibilities that i didn't appreciate to the level that i did my second time around so i saw more clearly a genuine threat of climate change and also the possibilities which was more remote than it is today. the technology is both a danger for bioterrorism and viruses escaping national laboratories but also the source of millions of responses we need to make. >> thank you. this is our final question. how do you maintain hope for our society given the divisiveness that infected our politics and society as a whole? >> i'm very observant, i'm an optimist. tell me, the doomsday clock, where 22nd closer to the apocalypse. we are closer to doomsday, the wind is blowing in front of me but rabbits are running around, squirrels and coyotes howling at night life, just to be here is quite a lot so to worry about or think about down the road, how it's going to turn about, do what you can do in the moment you have. god will take care of the re