pretty good understanding of what was so i literally, i walk out to my outer office and i said find steve kappes he had retired in a bit of a non-happy incidents at the agency. they tracked they tracked him down at a railroad station in london. i got in touch with stephen i said steve thomas mike. mike. how are you doing? would you ever consider to be the deputy director of cia? and he says to me, will that would really depend a lot on who was the director. and i said i am not at liberty to discuss it but i am am the one making this call. and he said i will get back to you. about two hours later after he talked his wife he said okay. if you're going to be number one i would be happy to come back. we had a wonderful relationship. i talk about these meetings, yuma 5:00 o'clock meeting and these are operations, you're making decisions. very often i would be getting input and i would say okay we're going to do x. i would turn to stephen say are you are right with that? you know i wasn't given the decision to someone else, but just as a friend are you are right with that? and every time we were in th