not the speed steve kirsch is used to in silicon valley. i imagine you think the next morning, you're going to be front-page news on the "new york times." >> kirsch: and everybody starts taking it, and all the doctors start-- you know, people start demanding it. >> alfonsi: but that did not happen. >> kirsch: no. >> alfonsi: you ended up on a webinar. >> kirsch: yes. i ended up on a webinar. >> alfonsi: this is the webinar that night about covid. >> kirsch: your doctor may not necessarily even know about this drug. >> alfonsi: it was for harvard business school alumni and the host was david seftel, the race track doctor. it was just hours after dr. seftel hosted the group that he learned about the massive outbreak at golden gate fields. >> announcer: friendly out the door's got it! >> alfonsi: had he heard about fluvoxamine at that point? >> kirsch: no. >> alfonsi: so he hears it from you on the webinar? >> kirsch: he hears about it from me on his webinar. >> alfonsi: were you skeptical at all about what he was saying? >> seftel: absolutely.