i removed steve leeds and bob peck and resigned on the -- on april 2nd. i just wanted to be sure that's in the record correctly. >> thank you. >>> on june of last year -- michael robertson is your chief of staff, correct? >> he was my chief of staff, correct. >> he wasly an son to the white house before that. >> he was in the policy shop before that. >> he did work on senator obama's staff before senator obama became president obama? >> yes. >> did you ever have subsequent meetings with the administration? >> first of all, i learned that -- that yesterday in the testimony i did not realize he had informed anyone at the white house. >> did you ever inform anybody at the white house? >> we held meetings with the white house after we received the draft report. >> after may 3rd. >> so far? >> when the report came out last year. >> no. i did not talk to the white house until after the final draft report was delivered to us in late february. >> which was when? >> when the -- >> the final. >> the draft report came to us --

>> i -- deputy administrator susan britta and steve leeds were briefing me on it. again, i don't have any of my material so bear with me on that and i can try to check it out if i need to. but they were updating me on the status of the hats off investigation. the cfo was doing a report about the various regional -- >> did you ultimately, before you left, did you ultimately eliminate hats off in that region? >> i understood that we had, yes. the -- >> you understood that we had? whose job was it -- >> i was being briefed by steve leeds and susan britta, deputy administrator, senior counselor, both of whom had been involved with those activities, both of whom had met with the ig more than i had been able to meet. she was the chief operating officer and we have processes by which we're formally interacting with the ig -- >> ms. johnson, in retrospect, if you had to do it all over again, would you have taken more affirmative steps to rein in the spending and to get a foothold on the excesses and spending and conduct that were reported that you might have done something

>> i -- deputy administrator susan britta and steve leeds were briefing me on it. i do believe the best of my remembrance and again, i don't have any of my material, so bear with me on that, and i can try to check it out, if i need to. but they were updating me on the status of the hats off investigation. the cfo was doing a report about the various regional -- >> did you ultimately, before you left, did you ultimately eliminate hats off in that region? >> i understood that we had, yes. the -- >> you understood that we had? whose job was it? >> i was being briefed by steve

and disco as i can administrator >> when jeff reported to steve leeds?>> whatever conversations he's received, i was not proud of that reporting chain. >> i'm simply trying to understand whether or not mr. neely was to himself when he held these two rows or whether there is any coherent reporting authority who was in charge here. >> certainly on paper there is a chain of command

>> as our eight, he was supporting himself to see them steve leeds reported to the administrator. and this was commissioner, he reported through the ra and reported directly into headquarters to the commissioner of the public domain. >> is it true with administrators they have this dual reporting? how does that work in gsa quiet >> we are looking at that. it is something diaconate in a straighter is reviewing carefully. this obviously things that need to be streamlined, but we look at it as part of our top to bottom review. >> this is one agency. the two functions are of course mr. paul: reserving the right to object. egypt currently gets $2 billion from our company from the u.s. taxpayer, and my question is that a country that gets $2 billion a year, should we be sending it to them when they continue to seek to prosecute american citizens? now, recently, the president, president obama's administration, freed up that money and said egypt is pursuing democratic aims, and so we freed up the $2 billion. how did egypt respond to this? egypt basically thumbed their nose at us. egypt sa