macdonald. great to have you with us. this is a block buster set of charges. >> it is a block buster set of charges, and we're waiting to see if steveohen himself is criminally chargedded. we asked at the press conference, if, in fact, they plan to do that. he said, we are not going to p comment on what tomorrow may or may not bring. we asked the top official at the fbi if they are developing a criminal indictment against steve cohen, and he says they are pursuing all leads, and and it could be a developing story. this is my last sense of the fbi saying about the case, lou. lou: would you clarify the charges gebs the firm, against the individuals? where -- what is the object of the charges, specifically? >> the object is specifically rampant insider trading. in other words, the 4 is 1 -- 41-page indictment encouraged cheating and recruited executives with insider contacts to get that information, and the indictment says that steve cohen was rewarded, basically, he rewarded individuals for passing on inside information to him, so, ewe know, this is a case, basically, where sac is saying we are operating with honesty, no freeze on the