and also steve mccabe now. the first prime minister to address the tuc congress since gordon brown today. it's a long time ago, wasn't it, mark? >> well, a generation ago you were 17 then. >> yeah. he was met with he was met with a standing ovation. there you go. thank you . i mean, there you go. thank you. i mean, ihave there you go. thank you. i mean, i have to say we covered that this morning on britain's newsroom. and andrew pierce was there and he certainly didn't make out that he had a standing ovation or that he was particularly warmly welcomed in the room. but maybe andrew pierce would say that the prime minister warned that tough decisions lie ahead. >> but i do have to make clear from a place of respect that this government will not risk its mandate for economic stability under any circumstances. and with tough decisions on the horizon, pay will inevitably be shaped by that. will inevitably be shaped by that . i owe you that candour will inevitably be shaped by that. i owe you that candour. >> there i

steve mccabe and michelle donelan rahman alongside me.il are calling out the double standards in this. gary from bristol. i'd like to know where you're all from. he says. that starmer the labour party, were absolutely rinsing boris johnson when he had his wallpaper and stuff like that. do you remember that? so what's good for one should be good for the other, who is this? lots of you. very angry as well about this winter fuel allowance. what did you make to that vote that happened? i was off on holidays. i didn't get to discuss that with everybody, what did you get to the weather? what did you think to the way that that went? >> so i think that what has happenedis >> so i think that what has happened is a great tragedy because there will be so many pensioners this winter that will really struggle now, and that many of them will choose not to put their heating on. well, not really a choice, is it? they just genuinely won't be able to afford it and that could lead to them freezing or becoming very ill and sick. and we saw many labour mps st

alex dean and steve mccabe remain alongside me. making the point before the break that he pays for his own clothes, one of my viewers has said, what's the matter with the pair of them? can't they afford a tie for themselves? there you go. that's what happens when you have to buy your own clothes. yeah, they do become tight. >> maybe the prime minister can send me one watts or one of the donors. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well, yeah, the prime minister wouldn't give it to me for one of his donors. would? yeah, okay. >> fair enough. one. the point that you were making before the break was one of the things that's overshadowed this conference massively is the rules about the donors and what they've been getting. >> so i want to you were inviting us to discuss whether the chancellor's approach is broadly working in early days. and to be fair, of course, there are things that she's doing that i agree with. i think she's right not to just splurge on everything. i think she's right about winter fuel allowance, although my support is precisely t

i was just about to say that for jobs at 6:00 this week, and we had steve mccabe on last night, formerng charge with these fuel companies. yes, these standing charges, whether you're using it or not, are going up enormously. why won't they attack the hosts? >> because they still want to try and make out that it's to do with the war in ukraine, don't they? they're still using that line. they're still saying, oh, it's circumstances beyond our control, which is why we can't touch these conglomerates and we can't, you know, take them to task.i can't, you know, take them to task. i mean, i mean, the whole thing about this, this winter fuel allowance issue is actually that it's not a maths thing. actually, it's a principle thing. and labour should fundamentally have never touched the winter fuel allowance when exactly as you say, carol, they're meant to care about the most vulnerable. >> six conservative chancellors. >> six conservative chancellors. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> and , you know, it's exactly >> and, you know, it's exactly what carol says. older people have a different rela

i've got alex dean and steve mccabe keeping me company tonight. that also as well. there's rumours afoot that apparently that single person council tax discount will not be removed. and of course, the rumours were that that was going to be up for the chop. so i want to be up for the chop. so i want to look at all of that. but also there's a trust nhs trust which has come under some scrutiny because of course we all know about nhs delays, martin, but it transpires now that if you are delayed, as we all will be in the nhs, if you're someone that requires an interpreter , you requires an interpreter, you will be prioritised ahead of an engush will be prioritised ahead of an english speaker that is also waiting for a delayed appointment apparently is for cost reasons. do we agree with that or not? >> absolutely ridiculous. two tier care. now it's two tiered health system with those who require interpreters at the front of the queue. ludicrous story that will be one to tuck into. dewbs& co 617 fantastic show ahead there. thank you very much for joining

and welcome back to our breaking coverage here on mccabe joins me, the former deputy fbi director, along with retired supervisory special agent the ai, steve moore. thanks very much to both of you. and as we are just getting more information in about ryan wrestling route, that is who we understand is the man who was behind this appearance, appearing, attempted assassination deputy director mccabe. what what stands out to you about how he got there, right? how he gets along this golf course somewhere between hole five and six on this sunday afternoon at this time yeah, it's really remarkable, erin, i think this is a good graphic to have if you look hole five concludes right in the corner where it's indicated whole five. and then whole six runs from that point all the way down that right side of the golf course. they're basically from your whole fight to hold six indicators. that's whole six we know that the president was walking from five to six when shots rang out. we also know that it was the advanced agents that saw saw the shooter and they are essentially one hole in front. so they were likely walking from six to seven, which is just ri