steve mcintyre was a businessman who was trained as a stastician and mathematician and he looked at the hockey stick and said there's something fishy here. he was not part of the community and yet he's made a tremendous difference and by the way we had both steve mcintyre and ross as cooler heads speakers in the past so your part of a good group and i just wanted to mention that. now r.j. smith. >> larry, i'm wondering if you know of anybody anywhere is looking to me what i think is a very intriguing question here. is how so many seemingly otherwise rational people got wrapped up in this huge monomaniacal craze that man is driving climate change on the planet. perhaps you have to look at books like the -- what the extra madness of crowds and how people got involved, whole nations in the tulip craze or the south sea he island bubble. i mean, a fairly intelligent elementary school student taking a basic course in physical geography or geography know for millions of years the planets have been characterized by ice ages and interglacial warmings and that all takes place naturally without ma

in a widely reported event, steve mcintyre a canadian research eric who testified before -- reerger, who testified before congress several years ago, he's been trying to get, through freedom of information act, the public document, the documents some of these studies are purported to be based on. instead of releasing them they purged them. they took them away in what is reported to be an unprecedented data purge. they've deleted files relating to station data from the public directories. twhrer data now if they're still in existence? what is it they're trying to hide? if the temperature data records proved their theory, they'd want to publicize them, at least i would think they would. let's go to number four. this is an email from phil jones who we know well, now to a gentleman named neville nichols. mr. nichols -- let's see, mr. nichols -- i'm not sure who mr. nichols is. but here it says, i hope i don't get a call from congress. ok. i'm hoping that no one there realizes i have a u.s. department of energy grant and have had this, with tom w., for the last 25 years. so, this is back