steve perry is our education pro. come to the principal's office, carol. >> exactly! you know, when i ran for like student body president and i ran to ban paddling from my high school. that's how long this thing has been around. >> it's absurd. one of the biggest problems in public education is nostalgia. we think things were so much better back in the day. something as silly as hitting a child with a piece of wood is still considered something that we may want to do in school. we had a parent hit a child with a piece of wood last week. we called the police on her. you can't hit children with objects. we understand, i understand the need to be creative with discipline but in order to be creative with discipline, you need to have a relationship with the child. you can't just go around saying that they are wrong and that they are bad and that is what happens. >> steve, the only creative thing out there seems to be let's take a time-out. sit in the corner and take a time-out. does that kind of thing work? >> no, we don't