fred tecce, steve rogers, detective lieutenant in nuttily, new jersey. also with us dr. linda young. linda, i have to start with you on a human level. >> okay. >> how does someone deal with this? you are hours away from getting married and you accidentally shoot and kill your soon to be wife? >> well the grief in combination with the zbrilt to be unfathomable. i don't think any of us can imagine what this guy is going through. exponentially worse trauma than one or the other alone. for him to have her die at his own and in the process of hoping to save her with the wedding so close, i can't imagine what he goes through. he may be traumatized for the rest of his life. >> linda, i will stay with you. there were break-ins in the community so maybe he was on edge. does that sound rational, but to be that quick with getting your gun and shooting without identifying to make sure? >> i do know that when people are on edge they may become hypervigilant. i don't know whether he was sleeping lightly or sleeping at all or whether she was in bed with him or not. people can have hair

steve rogers? >> may i add this being a law enforcement officer who deals with this daily, there's also one other missing element. these kids are not afraid of retribution. they're not afraid of a penalty. they're not afraid of facing the criminal justice system. and that's because -- >> because there are no penalties? >> this criminal justice system is more concerned about it rights of criminals than the rights of victims. >> oh, that's so ridiculous. thank you! >> in the county they lock up teenagers. >> i want to bring jim laldeljal. you're the spokesperson, you're out there on the field what's your explanation of behavior of these kids? we've got 15-year-old boys, one 13-year-old boy. >> there is no way to explain it. and the sheriff made this point today that we have lots of touchy-feely programs but it's too late for these boys. and for some reason, they don't seem to know the difference between right and wrong. when they were toddlers no one told them, apparently, the difference between righ

steve rogers, detective lieutenant with the nutleyjers police department. and joining me on the phone, candy baker, a friend of this young victim. cammy, thank you for joining us. i know that this has to be very, very difficult for you and i applaud your courage in speaking out and coming forth. you were at the dance that night. set the stage for us. did you feel afraid during the dance or as you left that night? cammy -- you have to turn your tv down, honey or else we can't hear you. you are going to have some feedback. >> i don't have the tv on right now. >> all right. we have a little bit of a problem there. let me ask -- let me ask stacy while we try to iron out the audio problem. stacy, what's going on here? what is going on with this crime? i understand that, you know, there are approximately 30 males involved. you can count the ten that allegedly participated, some of whom have been arrested, allegedly. you count the 20 more who observed in some way, shape or form. you have 30 young males participating in this horrific unthinkable obscene act. >> the

steve rogers, you're a detective lieutenant with the nutley, new jersey police department. what is the other side to this story? is there another side to this story? >> there is no other side. you know, what jane, you alluded to it before. people generally support their police departments, and nypd's a great department. but what these officers did is inexcusable. i mean, you give chewing gum and water to someone involved in a dwi case? and as don said, i agree with don clark. where are the supervisors? where are the people to be held accountable? well, as i said before, i'll say it again. that blue wall of silence went up, and it's going to come crumbling down on the heads of those officers who compromise their oath of office. >> and i've got to say, family attorney, last comment. what about the attorney for the cop, saying his client is actually a hero because not only was he not drunk, he claims, but he brought your client's daughter back to life. he's the one who hit her. >> well, first of all, it's an outrageous statement. clearly, he's not a hero. and he wasn't giving

lieutenant steve rogers of the nutley new jersey pd. and my special guest, reverend valnord. and his attorney. i want to start with the attorney's reaction to the clip you just saw kelly, officer kelly's attorney dancing around. what is your reaction, and why do you think he was so gleeful? >> look, i think what's really important here is not so much the reaction of an attorney, but the fact that at the scene of this horrible tragedy, the police officer, kelly, admitted to drinking six to eight beers to investigators. his eyes were bloodshot. he was speaking with a slurred voice. he refused to take a breathalyzer test and refused to let blood be taken from him until a court order had to be obtained. now, there are three police officers who have been disciplined for their action with regard to what happened here. one police officer was in the car who fled the scene. another police officer, who has been suspended for giving kelly two glasses of -- two bottles of water and gum. what was his motive, right before the blood test. and a third officer was transferred, a sergeant, for

let's bring in steve rogers. here she is, talking about misty, not given authorities a straight story, yet going on the cbs "early show" throwing out theories. what do you make of all that? >> she better start worrying, mike. the law enforcement community, i'm sure, believes that she is a primary suspect in this case. maybe she doesn't believe it, but they do. and this is just another diversionary tactic from some individual who is a suspect in a very, very serious case, obviously. that's what i make of it. diversionary tactic. >> okay. and will investigators, will they go over that interview with a fine-toothed comb? are you looking for something she said on the cbs "early show"? >> absolutely. in fact, i was looking at the interview myself. i was looking at body language. i noticed that she didn't say it was fact, that the other side of the family's involved. she said i felt it. i watched her eyes roll a little, too, all indicators she's lying. >> let's listen a little bit more of this interview. this is misty,

i want to welcome back don clark, also joining me, detective lieutenant steve rogers of the nutley, new jersey pd and my special guest, reverend valnord and his attorney, sanford rubenstein. i want to start with the attorney's reaction to the clip you just saw, officer kelly's attorney dancing around. what is your reaction and why do you think he was so gleeful? >> look, i think what's really important here is not so much the reaction of an attorney, but the fact that at the scene of this horrible tragedy, the police officer kelly admitted to drinking six to eight beers to investigators. his eyes were bloodshot. he was speaking with a slurred voice. he refused to take a breathalyzer test and he refused to let blood be taken from him until a court order had to be obtained. now, there are three police officers who have been disciplined for their action with regard to what happened here. one police officer was in the car who fled the scene. another police officer who has been suspended for giving kelly two glasses -- two bottles of water and gum. what was his motive, right before the blood

steve rogers is a detective lieutenant with the nutley new jersey police department, a media consultantnd visiting journalism professor at northwestern university, brian monroe, but we begin with tanya acker, attorney and blogger for "the huffington post." tanya, what is your take on this? >> it was not the pants. i mean, it's so funny. i'm laughing only because this story is so darkly familiar. you know, we all have the antidotal stories about, you know, the black kid and the baggy pants who's a gang panger and then the kid in the same pants who's sort of a cute eminem wanna be. unfortunately, this stuff happens. you've made a good point about how far we've come. and certainly we have an african-american president. we have not rooted out all the bad apples. we will not. this is something we just have to sort of deal with and try to get people the right remedies, get them justice when and where we are. >> the manager of the bar is insisting he was just trying to enforce the dress code. he says there is a lot of gang violence in the area and they often wear backwards hats and baggy pants