. >> i am steve schiffron from the cornell law school. want to push back a little on the third party doctrine argument. i think the statutory arguments you made were absolutely compelling. on third party doctrine, you argue that it's qualitatively differe different, and the argument is that it is a greater invasion of privacy. and it strikes me -- i'm opposed to third party doctrine from the beginning. third party doctrine knew there was a violation of privacy but said it's irrelevant. you can take people's trash, you can get their bank records, can you get their e-mail, you can get the bank records, including credit cards and so forth, you can get their telephone records. we know that invades privacy. but it's not within the scope, it's not a search. there's no reasonable expectation of privacy. so if it's qualitatively different under third party doctrine, it doesn't make a difference. the second point is, it's not clear to me that it is qualitatively different. if you give me a choice between having the government get my bank records,

. >> i am steve schiffron from the cornell law school. i have a question about -- i want to push back a little on the third party doctrine argument. i think the statutory arguments you made were absolutely compelling. on third party doctrine, you argue that it's qualitatively different, and the argument is that it is a greater invasion of privacy. and it strikes me -- i'm opposed to third party doctrine from the beginning. third party doctrine knew there was a violation of privacy but said it's irrelevant. you can take people's trash, you can get their bank records, can get their e-mail, you can get the bank records, including credit cards and so forth, you can get their telephone records. we know that invades privacy. but it's not within the scope, it's not a search. there's no reasonable expectation of privacy. so if it's qualitatively different under third party doctrine, it doesn't make a difference. the second point is, it's not clear to me that it is qualitatively different. if you give me a choice between having the government get