. >> what's interesting is steve schmidt, i really like the guy, i guess you have dealt with him more than i have up front, he said during the campaign, and this got out later, he said he could tell he was running against a continuation of the bobby kennedy campaign. that's a pretty prescient thought for the guy on the other side. >> well, he did understand that, and i think ted kennedy also saw in obama somebody that he believed could begin to transcend some of the differences and divisions in the country. not just racial divisions, but certainly some to that, but also to move the country to a different place in politics. i mean, he admired hillary clinton, and he had a good relationship going into the campaign with bill clinton, but he saw in obama somebody who could be the future, and he did not think at that point hillary clinton could be that person. >> you earned your spurs covering the civil rights movement. what did bill clinton say to barack obama on the phone that made him feel teddy had gotten off the reservation in terms of race and civil rights? >> that was so emotional.

foreign trip which was an extraordinary 10 day trip, he was soaring and they looked at him and steve schmidt said a candidate, a good candidate may get 25 or 30,000 feet in terms how well they're doing or being treated with the press. clan san at the best was 25 and barack obama is the 50,000 and we had to do something we could not bring him down so we had to do was to elevate him up so he was out of the atmosphere and a sink of his own weight so they can up with the idea of the celebrity ads. voters did not think much of those ads, but the obama people were rocks. they were started -- stung with the idea he was be called a celebrity they said we better not play on this but it turned out to the month of august the mccain campaign had the momentum, obama had pulled been and were doing smaller events as axelrod said come only when small we forgot what made obama's, soboba and we took the bait but the mccain campaign knew that was a diversion because going into the convention they were scared he could put the campaign away before the election they needed something bigger which was what led to s

at that point both steve schmidt and rick davis felt you had to do a real game changing.f they ran even a pretty good race what conventional choice for vp they probably couldn't win. so they were looking to shake it up of that was the key. >> they were going to lose unless they did something dramatic. and the dramatic was going to sarah palin. >> and his brother pat buchanan said, it was working. >> thank you so much. a great book. really seems to me every four years there's one great book written about a presidential campaign. for those of us that grew up on teddy white, it's always exciting when you find that book. i think this is the one. thank you so much. >>> still ahead the fight for afghanistan. we're going to be talking strategy with retired general, "washington post" columnist eugene robinson will be here but john meacham when "morning joe" returns. >>> welcome back to "morning joe." a quick weather update. st. louis all the way to kansas city, thanks to friends there a wonderful shot. airports are looking okay so far, all green on the board from boston to chicag

steve schmidt, who helped run senator mccain's presidential campaign doubted that there would be very much bipartisanship because "the truth is there are very few house republicans that worry about the middle of the electorate anymore." veteran washington observers have been comparing obama's congressional relations to ronald reagan's and noted that he's pointed very favorably to the way reagan changed the trajectory of america and he did that, he said, fundamentally because the country was ready for it, and i think that explains why the president has balanced his lobbying with congress with his going out to -- to gain public support for his programs. to summarize these remarks about all of these presidents, six of harry truman's successors in the white house had some congressional experience on their -- four had none. looking at presidents from truman to obama, i don't think there is any guarantee that having served in congress actually gets you a better relationship with congress. eisenhower and reagan, for instance, score higher than kennedy and ford did. there are a lot of other f

steve schmidt who helped run senator mccain's campaign doubted there would be little bipartisanship boughtthere is few house republicans that worry about the middle of the ele electorate anymore." he is compared to ronald reagan and he has pointed favorably toward the way reagan change tradjectory of america and he did that fundamentally because the country was ready for it. i think that explains why the president has balanced his lobbying with congress with his going out to reach -- to gain public support for his programs. well, to summarize these remarks about all of these presidents, six of harry truman's successors in the white house had some congressional experience, four had not. looking at the presidents from truman to obama, i don't think that there is any guarantee that having served in congress actually gets you a better relationship with congress. eisenhower and reagan score higher than kennedy and ford did. there are a lot of other factors other than personal relationships at work. one is the constitutional system. congress is a separate branch. it was never going to be a rubbe

they've been competing with one another, and while the steve jobs eric schmidt relationship may have become strained, the businesses were falling apart. the two companies sharing two board members already which ultimately launched a federal inquiry. and joking comments like this from schmidt two years ago certainly didn't help. >> steve, you know, i had the privilege of joining the board and there's a lot of relationships between the board, and i thought that we could just sort of merge the company, we could call them apple -- >> well, as google works its way into the mobile world with the g-1 google phone with t-mobile and the chrome operating system, it's clear the company is going after apple's key markets. just this past friday with apple banning google voice from the popular app store, it's painfully clear these once allies are now staunch competitors, you have to wonder with these trends developing over some time what took these guys this long to make up this kind of decision?? >> and is the story really over? it seems like there's more to it than this. that this isn't just goi

if i was steve jobs, i'd be very nervous having eric schmidt on my board for that company. so as far as i'm concerned, it should have happened a long time ago. >> and finally steve, i've got a lot of people e-mailing me, personal e-mail, that's how important this must be telling me there's nothing but air between 1,000 on the s&p and 1,100 and that gets me back to pre-lehman august 2008 territory. and i have been arguing that's where the corporate bond spreads are telling me we're headed. nothing but air to get to 1,100. hell's bells we just got to 1,000. there's got to be a pullback some place, steve. >> i think there's got to be a pullback, but at this point, we're marching up to 1,100. >> straight up? >> i think we're going to get there. >> wow. bob pisani, what do we think about straight up? and i don't mean on the rocks, i mean straight up on the s&p 500. >> you know, i play this like a straight arrow, larry, right now the bears have been destroyed because they're unable to bring the market down. shorts have gotten out of the market and are sitting on the sidelines lick

steve was away on medical leave. and i think this is the entree apple can use. there doesn't seem to be anything in the bylaws that eric schmidt needs to be replaced by an outside number. >> all right. we'll leave it there. >> brian, you still have a 210 price target on apple and reiterating -- >> absolutely. remains our favorite pick today. >> favorite pick. >> okay. thanks so much, guys. >> thanks, we're going to leave it there. >>> shares of health insurance, humana rising on news of the bigger than expected jump in quarterly profit. but there's a lot at stake for the company as the battle over health care reform rages on in washington. >>> michael mcalister joins us live to discuss it all next only right here on the call. 35 years. most people try to get rid of algae, and we're trying to grow it. the algae are very beautiful. they come in blue or red, golden, green. algae could be converted into biofuels... that we could someday run our cars on. in using algae to form biofuels, we're not competing with the food supply. and they absorb co2, so they help solve the greenhouse problem, as well. we're making a big commitment to

they're having a pretty good turn out with mike schmidt, lefty carlton, steve carlton coming back. >> gary: brian roberts for the o's. he flied out to left field his first time up. one ball and one strike count. toronto, 2-3-0. the orioles, o's. and that is taken up high for a ball. talking about the doubles' leaders, here is one of them. >> buck: and he hits doubles. he has great speed. he is a slashing hitter. he has always been among the league leaders in doubles. >> gary: followed by lend and markakis so the top three doubles hitters are in this game. >> buck: to me a double is even more of a pressure hit than a home run on a pitcher. auto home run goes out of the ballpark. the pitcher winds up. no big deal. the doubles keep the pressure on. he's got to look at that guy in scoring position behind him. >> gary: and brian is on. there is the first base runner for the orioles, a lead-off walk. 43 walks in 111 innings for ricky romero. >> buck: it is really interesting to hear your comments and i think a lot of it has to do about his delivery and he doesn't walk many and his pitch cou

getting from apple that eric schmidt, the ceo of google, will be stepping down from apple's board of directors, a position he's had since august of 2006. the quote here from stevele ceo, unfortunately, as google enters more of apple's core business with android and chrome os, eric's ability as a board member will be diminished as he'll have to recuse himself from board meetings due to conflict of interest. >> the government is looking into the relationship between apple's iphone as at&t whether or not -- because they gave the stiff arm to google that would allow you to make long distance calls for much cheaper. >> different phone number aall the different phones. this is probably -- i mean f we had -- good morning, he would have said -- goldman would have said, oh, yeah, i was expecting this. >> not goldman sachs. >> no. it's a sign google's tentacles are so large it's amazing -- >> it's amazing they were on that long, they could co-exist. >> there's been a whole theme called digital convergence. everything is coming together. i think that's what we're seeing here. >> i'm doing it. i ordered the s-top plugged directly into my computer -- my television. >> was h