. >> steve schmidt. >> well, obviously we're in extraordinary circumstances. this is a seismic event from a public health perspective, also from an economic perspective. we're talking about a range of government intervention that heretofore is just unimaginable. we're talking about trillions of dollars of money. certainly the governor is right. the epicenter of the crisis in the country right now that the amount of money is woefully inadequate for the need to the state of new york, for the city of new york. the congress is going to be dealing with this for the balance of the year. we will see levels of deficit that heretofore no one has ever imagined. nor the scale of government intervention in any of this. so we're in the early days of a new world, what is important is for this first tranche of money to make it through the congress, that our dysfunction in washington, d.c. which so many corporate leaders, small business leaders would say is the singularly greatest disadvantage or competitive drain on the country that government can function at least a little

. >> and with that from steve schmidt as told to nicolle wallace today, a quick reminder of the president'sake on this crisis as it started taking hold here in the u.s. about a month ago. >> we're finding very little problem, very little problem. now, you treat this like a flu. when you have 15 people and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. >> it's going to disappear. one day it's like a miracle, it will disappear. >> the democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. this is their new hoax. >> the bulwark was among the very first to point out that u.s. coronavirus deaths were about to eclipse the death toll from september 11th. quote, this pandemic will be more consequential than 9/11. it probably already is. people just don't realize it because they still think, still feel that once this is all over, we will get to go back to the way things used to be. we won't. back with us tonight is bill kristol, veteran of the reagan and bush administrations, the editor at large over at the bulwark. bill, it's good to see you at long last, and i guess i'm going to ask you

but on the points you made and steve schmidt made, there was a good article in "the new york times" a hours ago that things may be beginning to turn. i think it will get worse before it gets better unfortunately for the next two, three, four weeks, but if they turn, it will be due to mayors and governors, public health officials, the citizenry doing social distancing. what's amazing when you see those clips of donald trump, it's not only that he didn't help, he was actually an obstacle to our dealing with this crisis. he was an obstacle to citizens behaving responsibly, which they've been pretty willing to do once asked and told what to do. he was an obstacle to the private sector and to governors rallying to produce the masks and the ventilators and the personal protective equipment that we now still are so desperately short of. he was an obstacle to getting the testing going. there were mistakes by the cdc and the fda , but he's president. he could have had a sense of urgency about it. instead, he seems to have paid no attention to it for most of february. so the degree to which, yo

. >> joining our conversation political strategist steve schmidt and chief public affairs correspondentm jean pierre. >> the term you would use is dereliction of duty. that's what donald trump has been. he has been derelict in his duty since the beginning of this. and the reality is that the amount of misinformation that's come out of his mouth over the course of the last month, month and a half in the end has made this situation immeasurably worse. he displays everyday all of the qualities that you do not want to see in any type of leader in a life and death circumstance. and so, we have an alpha and an omega of leadership virtues on display and in competition against each other in this country. we see the absolutely brilliant leadership of governor andrew cuomo in the city of new york with compassion, with empathy, with knowledge, with facts. somebody who has his hands around the deadly situation, is delivering tough news honestly. and then you see the 6:00 follies that play out in the briefing room where you see the grievance, the sense of self injury, the selfpity, all of the qualit

patel, plus former republican strategist steve schmidt is back. dr. patel, let me start with you.me through not just how we got here on the tests but how we fix it. >> sure. so the reason we're here is that for months, even though data were coming out of china fairly early, that we would need some form of testing. it wasn't if, it was when. the food and drug administration did not mobilize the ability to authorize all these private labs that were clamoring to actually get authorization, regulation and testing up to speed which is why you're seeing such a delay. now that we're here we just have to deal with it. by the way, even the cdc is not able to provide the most accurate estimates of what each of the private labs -- and we're not talking about obscure labs, we're talking about cleveland clinic, the mayo clinic, harvard, stanford, even the cdc is not accurately monitoring the capacity of the lab testing. now that we're here, we need, as we're talking to congress about a stimulus package, we need to send a clear signal. there's a lack of faith in this white house, no surprise. w

msnbc political analyst and former republican strategist, steve schmidt.." jillian. >> jillian, let's start with you. obviously, the "financial times" does such an extraordinary job looking at markets across the globe, looking at political situation across the globe. take us through china, italy, britain, other parts of the world. how are they handling this virus right now, both medically and economically? >> collectively, global markets have just had a heart attack. the good news is that they are coming back a bit today. that incredibly crash yesterday was partly triggered by the oil price saudi and russia. by the way, it is very much targeted against u.s. shale gas producers. it was also the economic impacts of the virus. particular concern about the lack of leadership in the u.s. in terms of handling it. that's the market picture. you have to stress, as stephanie said earlier, that it is about the economy right now and whether we are going into a recession as parts of the world go into lockdown. now, the good news is that some parts of the world, like s

. >> i steve schmidt said a few years ago in trump's mind he is the state. >> right. >> when the statee for the citizenry it blows all of his circuitry. he is not responsible for us but re-elected. >> the other way to look at is he does not see himself as a public servant at all. and part of this job is politics in public office and public service. it is about getting services, trash pickup. the cdc. and this is a president who has shown no interest in that, no understanding of the obligations and responsibilities an also has gone after the bureaucracy that supports service to the american people, gutted the cdc, gutted the global health systems that former president george bush built around aids and hiv virus and then later that former president obama carried out that could have responded to this crisis globally and, frankly, helped keep it from our shores. >> to that point, he contradicted tony fauci again today on the vaccine saying if we have a vac soon it won't be distributable in time. how do you function part of the bureaucracy not gutted? >> i think this is also a president who

former republican strategist steve schmidt is back and then in the field, shaquille brewster, following the sanders campaign, and then los angeles outside biden headquarters, nbc's political reporter mike memoli. i want to start with you, with the question. i understand in the democratic primary, it is shaping up to be a dynamic where bernie is both the victim of and the beneficiary of the optics of establishment but the truth, it's african-american voters in south carolina that are the reason that joe biden is in this race. it's nothing to do with the establishment. the establishment would have thrown joe biden overboard. if pete buttigieg had gotten the bounce when people win iowa. if someone started winning. joe biden isn't in the position because of the establishment. they would have happily thrown him overboard. it's because african-american voters came out in i think 2008-like numbers in the state of south carolina. >> black voters in south carolina took out three candidates. that's what we saw. tom steyer, amy klobuchar, and pete buttigieg. that's what they did and made themselve