. >> by the way, steve tom co burn used to be in congress he sort of added up all the silly stuff and how much it cost the taxpayers taxpayers. $25 billion a year that's how much he says all this stuff costs us. >> get a few $25 billion it starts that up to real money and it's not a noise between no firings and wholesale firings that you had in the 1800s, but ultimately the answer is as mike says and john says a smaller government, there are a lot of departments you can easily do away with and no one would notice the difference and any business can tell you you can find efficient sees but there's no incentive to do it am in until federal government. >> don't we have too many government workers? all he have some folks with too much time on tear hands and you know what happens then. >> well, look, first thing i think is go to large companies around the united states there are people wasting time. go there at lunch break, what have you. as i say -- >> but if they're watching -- i guarantee if they're watching porp austin, for five years they would be fired. if they're watching porn for f

. >> by the way, steve tom co burn used to be in congress he sort of added up all the silly stuff and how much it cost the taxpayers taxpayers. $25 billion a year that's how much he says all this stuff costs us. >> get a few $25 billion it starts that up to real money and it's not a noise between no firings and wholesale firings that you had in the 1800s, but ultimately the answer is as mike says and john says a smaller government, there are a lot of departments you can easily do away with and no one would notice the difference and any business can tell you you can find efficient sees but there's no incentive to do it am in until federal government. >> don't we have too many government workers? all he have some folks with too much time on tear hands and you know what happens then. >> well, look, first thing i think is go to large companies around the united states there are people wasting time. go there at lunch break, what have you. as i say -- >> but if they're watching -- i guarantee if they're watching porp austin, for five years they would be fired. if they're watching porn for f

tom: should your party co-op foreign policy away from the executive branch? steve branch is doing something that is not right let's have a debate. olivia: we are running out of time. we will come back. our twitter question of the day -- can 3g turnaround kraft foods? ♪ tom: good morning, everyone. bloomberg surveillance from new york city. michael lewis is out with a paperback. little has changed since lewis when after high-frequency chain -- traders. one thing that has changed is the consensus on the view that the easiest solution is simply to delay by the decimal -- by an infinitesimal second every trait. i asked him about slippage. michael: slippage is giving them a microsecond to get information . what i have done is made it impossible for them to do that. tom: just have everyone in this game delay an infinitesimal amount. a lot of the problems go away right? michael: you are right. and another thing is to put everyone in the same place. if every market took the responsibility to make itself fair by illuminating the speed advantages than the problems would go a