>> yes, i am. >> and, why did you mobile conversion from steve whitmore? >> as i said, it was 11 years ago. i answered this question many times. and, but just to repeat, a mobile conversion which is finding an address from a mobile phone, that is what a mobile conversion is and can be got through legitimate means. in fact the, the story that you're referring to, the mobile phone was a business, business number and address was widely known. >> so you can remember what the story was then? >> i just said to i you -- >> was story you were working on. >> because i read it in the "new york times". >> was that after that? >> i think it would be unfair to person concerned and because he has been named by the guardian and "the new york times" but what i'm saying is, and when i, very few occasions which i used a private detective was -- >> can you name other private detective you worked with? >> no. >> you can't remember them? >> no. >> are you aware of the pape used detectives though? >> sorry? >> did the paper use other private detectives other than steve whitmore