. >> did you ever have any contact with steve whittamore? >> yes. >> what did you do with him? >> he was one of the private akts detectives who i think formed the major part of operation motorman. >> i want to know what you did with him. >> sorry? >> i want to know what you did with him. >> in the main, my investigative -- my use of private investigators while i was editor of the "news of the world" was purely legitimate and it -- in the pursuit of the main, as you know, for the addresses and whereabouts of convicted peed files through law. that is my majority, if not almost all of my exclusive use of private investigators. >> are you aware that steve whittamore conducted two exdirectly look-ups on the dowler family in walton-on-thames? >> i was not aware of that until two weeks ago. >> you are not. >> yes. >> why do you hold a mobile conversion from steve whittamore? >> as i said, it was 11 years ago. i have answered this question many times, but to repeat, a mobile conversion is finding an address from a mobile phone and it can be got through legitimate means. in fact, in the