>> on the first panel we had steve wilburn who gave specific testimony how the threat of ex-im bank not being here in september, the awarding of a $57 million contract to his company would support a lot of jobs, the smaller transaction of $48 million supported more. it's obviously a larger transaction. we heard small businesses at the time of the shutdown, even the threat of a shutdown were losing sales because of potential we would not be there. small businesses rely on us very deeply. it's 90% of our customers, 90% of the clients. frequently, they do not have another option. they frequently have very few options. i ran a small business. it's hard to get credit in general and it's harder for a small business. lastly, many of the small businesses are part of the supply chain. i know we focus on small business direct exporters, but they are part of the boeing supply chain, spacex. manufacturing like boeing, ge, people like to talk about, but they don't make 100% of what they do. they would be impacted immediately. >> as a fiscal conservative myself i view all government spending with a s