. >> you have these guys like steve jobs and steve wozniak and bill gates and paul allen who had been messing around on the edges of what would become the personal computer industry but no one in corporate america and no one in most of the homes of america thought that the personal computer was anything that would ever have -- would ever even happen, let alone have any relevance to them. >> for all of us, the computer revolution was really exciting. it was like wow, this is wide open. it was a group of people who want to make a change in the world. eventually, the two forces in silicon valley, the hobbyists and the buttoned-down business guys, ended up coming together when the chip makers realized that these things the hobbyists were doing could lead to this whole new kind of product called the personal computer. >> it was at a home brewed computer club where steve wozniak and steve jobs first displayed the computer they had been networking on and it caused a sensation. >> we had absolutely no idea what people were going to do with these things when we started out. matter of fact, the

i can't remember her name off the top of my head but somebody had the paper, steve wozniak had a paper that showed that restricted use of drug testing, employment goes down. if you encourage drug testing, minority employment goes up. i don't mean that we should allow all these uses, there may be some expected purposes but that we should recognize that our expressive purposes has real costs that are opposed to what we think we are expressing or at least encourage. these are all working papers and empirical studies, they never proofing for certain, we do the best we can and in addition there are real benefits to help people that we may want to help been using credit reports and employment. i have a study that i could be drafting right now what i'm working with two of my colleagues in our department that seems to show that if you put these laws in place, people who had trouble making the payment in proxy for bad credit, people who missed payment forutility payments, their employment goes up . consistent with a study of some people in sweden and one of the studies that shows arms to minori