steven bannon has a clear world order plan. what's jared's plan?her. but it's going to be a big challenge. and when it comes to issues like syria and the middle east, it's going to be interesting to see which plan actually rules. >> jared has a power plan. that's what seems to have. thank you so much. we're going to give you a quick update on the breaking news. >>> swedish police confirmed there are fatalities after the truck in stockholm slammed into a building. we do not know how many or if this is terror related. after similar attacks in france and belgium, we're going to keep you updated and we will be right b back. this is msnbc. a lot of breaking news this morning. but we've never been the type to just sit back... not when we've got so much more to give when you have the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant. ameriprise over hereno!ver here! (dog barking) whoever threw it has to go get it. not me! somebody will get it... ♪ (dog barking) anyone can dream. making it a reality is the hard part. from the b-2 to the upcoming b-21, northro

. >> wall streeters are the rising powers and the president's side kick steven bannon now more and more on the losing side of policy fights. >> i think steve made an error on not spending any political capital on bringing -- therefore now he's alone and he's surrounded. >> with us the reporting and the insights that is correct got a small. laura, mike el, karen. again today big international news driving the day. april 15th is the regime's biggest holiday and a provocative act is a big holiday tradition. u.s. navy shifts are nearby and it seems pyongyang might be poised for a nuclear test. russia, iran and syria say they are nighted in condemning last week's missile strikes against the syrian air base. no big surprise, but president trump's home was that secretary tillerson's trip to russia this week might have per ssuaded president putin on change course. watch it play out here. the first combat use of the military's largest nonnuclear bomb against an isis camp and tunnel complex. >> this was the right weapon against the right target. >> barbara starr was first to report this dramatic

>> if you think about what jeremy is saying in terms of this battle between jared and steven bannon -- other members of that room, dina connell wilber ross, people who worked in finance, in new york, none of them people came to the white house to work for jared kushner. they came to join the administration. is jared kushner coopting them because they have got similar views -- a guy like gary cohen for example, he worked at goldman sachs over 25 years. he is a registered democrat, but he is there to work on the economy work on tax reform, if there was a shakeup could he take on a bhiger job? he could. he has the skill set. do you think people within goldman sachs got along with each other? not so much. >> robert costa, having said all that and it's been an interesting week just in the life of jared kushner who i guess started his week in iraq, came back to prep the boss for the visit of the chinese leader and oh, by the way was there for a cruise missile strike. what is it you know that you can share with our audience tonight robert? >> his father ran a family business, speaking of the

>> if you think about what jeremy is saying in terms of this battle between jared and steven bannon - other members of that room, dina connell wilber ross, people who worked in finance, in new york, none of them people came to the white house to work for jared kushner. they came to join the administration. is jared kushner coopting them because they have got similar views -- a guy like gary cohen for example, he worked at goldman sachs over 25 years. he is a registered democrat, but he is there to work on the economy work on tax reform, if there was a shakeup could he take on a bigger job, he corks he has the skill set. is it do you think people within goldman sachs got along with each other? not so much. >> robert costa, having said all that and it's been an interesting week just in the life of jared kushner who i guess started his week in iraq, came back to prep the boss for the visit of the chinese leader and oh, by the way was there for a cruise missile strike. what is it you know that you can share with our audience tonight robert? >> his father ran a family business, speaking of

president donald trump reorganized his national security council today, removing his chief strategist steven bannon and downgrading the role of his homeland security role, according to a person familiar with the decision and regulatory filing. under the move, the national intelligence director dan coats and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff are again regular attendees of the nsc's principle committee. bannon, former chairman of breitbart news, was elevated to the principles committee at the beginning of trump's presidency. that move drew criticism from some members of congress and washington's foreign policy establishment. again, that from bloomberg politics today. president trump is meeting today with jordan's king abdullah. they are holding a bilateral meeting this morning in the white house and will hold a joint news conference this afternoon before a lunch meeting. we'll have live coverage of that briefing scheduled to get started at 1:10 p.m. eastern time. oregon senator jeff merkley spoke for 15 1/2 hours in opposition of neil gorsuch's supreme court nomination. he wrapped up this mor

think what that suggests is it probably was written by career usgr staff, and it's not clear that steven bannon or peter navarro saw it. and if you heard or read the transcript of president trump's remarks yesterday, a couple days ago in wisconsin when he announced his buy american, hire american initiative, he reverted i think pretty completely to campaign mode where he called nafta a disaster, said he was going to demand, i think, big changes, and he was prepared to walk away if the mexicans didn't fork over. so it's not completely clear how those two pieces will come together. i personally think that it's probably going to bend toward the ustr approach simply because most big american companies have supply chains that are closely integrated with canada and mexico. and for a lot of them, mexico particularly is a bigger big market. big, big market. the canada agreement would likely stay in effect even if we walked away from nafta because it was just expanded. the fact here is american agriculture where mexico has turned into a huge market. and n remember -- and this, remember, trump won for tw

the ideaogs who fueled him during the campaign remain at his side like steven bannon his strategist but it's gary cohn, visiting ceo and others, jared kushner, ivanka trump who are in the president's ear who are saying if not moderate at least move in a different less edgy direction. >> catherine, i have to ask another question about our business. you have passover. you ever spring break for a whole lot of kids in school. tomorrow is good friday. we head into easter weekend. civilians get to look at this period of time and look at an opportunity perhaps to relax. reporters on the other hand, we get nervous and shifty because good friday, any time over easter weekend weekend, is a dandy time to drop a personnel change, a negative news story. i assume the "associated press" is ever on guard. >> well, i will certainly be at work tomorrow. so if there is a late friday news break we will be ready. >> you and me both. >> obviously it is a holiday weekend. we also, you know, congress is out. so thing are a little quieter. but with this white house, we really can never stop watching closely. th

steven bannon has been removed from his position on the national security council. was met with widespread criticism. lots of analysis on this. jeff stein is the national security correspondent at newsweek. thank you for your time, many people predicted this, did you see it coming? no, i don't think many people saw it coming but there is a lot of chaos in the white house so we just can't predict, day to day or hour to hour, what will happen. trump's some time confidant, roger stone, had been tweeting or writing in the last 24 hours that jared kushner, the son—in—law of the president, had been trying to oust bannon from the security committee, i think you have the right church on the wrong pew. it appears to be the general mcmaster, the head of the national security council, got a piece of gum out of his hair in removing steve bannon from the principal‘s committee of the national security council. some people would describe this as flexibility and willingness to listen from the president, others say it is weakness in his inability to hold a position. what is your ana

white house announced this morning that president trump has new remove heads chief strat jest steven bannon from the national security -- strat jest steven ban oon from the national council. he was the former chairman of breit bart news was elevated to the principle's committee at the beginning of trump's presidency. the move drew concerns from critics who said it was inappropriate for the political adviser to play a role on national security matters. >>> president trump is wrapping up a meeting with king abdullah of jordan. they held a joint news conference and discussed a variety of topics, including a middle east peace proposal and the crisis in syria. the meeting between the two comes after a suspected chemical attack in syria that killed at least 72 people, including 11 children. this morning, president trump opened that news conference by addressing the attack. >> these heinous actions by the assad regime can not be to will rated. the united states stands with our allies across the globe to condemn this horrific attack and all other horrific attacks. >> president trump called king abd

trump is considering ousting both white house chief of staff reince priebus and chief strategist, steven bannondeputy press secretary lindsay walters says, quote: the only thing we are shaking up is the way washington operates. we'll see. joining me now to discuss the president's big week, his china summit, the syrian airstrikeses and much, much more, rnc national committeeman and former chairman of the republican lawyers' association, randy evans, and republican strategist, veteran of ten presidential campaigns, the dean, ed rollins. good to have you both here. >> randy, how are you? >> good to see you, lou. lou: yeah, we're start oring with pleasantries tonight. >> i haven't seen him in a long time. [laughter] lou: you want to let you guys catch up? [laughter] >> we've got nothing else to talk about today. lou: i'm going to start with you, randy, now that we know how you're doing. the president, how's he doing? >> oh, he had a wonderful, winning week. you've got the confirmation of associate judge gorsuch, that's a huge cool. that will make an enormous difference immediately, effective next f

trump is considering ousting both white house chief of staff reince priebus and chief strategist, steven bannonputy press secretary lindsay walters says, quote: the only thing we are shaking up is the way washington operates. we'll see. joining me now to discuss the president's big week, his china summit, the syrian airstrikeses and much, much more, rnc national committeeman and former chairman of the republican lawyers' association, randy evans, and republican strategist, veteran of ten presidential campaigns, the dean, ed rollins. good to have you both here. >> randy, how are you? >> good to see you, lou. lou: yeah, we're start oring with pleasantries tonight. >> i haven't seen him in a long time. [laughter] lou: you want to let you guys catch up? [laughter] >> we've got nothing else to talk about today. lou: i'm going to start with you, randy, now that we know how you're doing. the president, how's he doing? >> oh, he had a wonderful, winning week. you've got the confirmation of associate judge gorsuch, that's a huge cool. that will make an enormous difference immediately, effective next fri

in the meantime what do we know ab the removal of steven bannon? >> reporter: well, yeah. we kno being removed from the committee, removed from the national security council altogether, though he still hrbl able to attend nsc meetings if invited. it was controversial to put his chief political strategist on the national security council. there was talk of president bush doing that in the bush 43 administration. so controversial that they decided not to do it. what the white house is telling us, and they have confirmed that it was the president who did this and just not h.r. mcmaster, is that bannon was placed on the security council initially as a check on the then national security adviser lieutenant general michael flynn who had been tasked with depoliticizing, deoperationalizing, as the white house put it, the national security council. and that they have now stream lined that to the point where steve bannon's participation is no longer needed. bannon himself said susan rice operationalized the department during the last administration, so i was put there to make sure i

however, prince has ties both to trump's chief strategist, steven bannon, as well as to trump's education secretary, betsy devos, who his prince's sister. citing unnamed officials, "the washington post" reports prince was frequently referenced in internal trump transition team conversations, suggesting he acted as a form of outside adviser. prince also donated $250,000 to elect donald trump. prince is the founder of the now defunct private paramilitary company blackwater, whose guards were convicted of killing civilians in iraq in 2007. on capitol hill, the senate judiciary committee voted 11-9 in a straight-party vote to send the nomination of neil gorsuch for supreme court justice to the full senate floor. democrats say they have enough votes to filibuster gorsuch's nomination. the full senate is expected to vote on republicans have friday. threatened to invoke the so-called nuclear option to push through gorsuch's confirmation. this means republicans would change senate rules to allow confirmation with a bare majority of senators, rather than thehe 60 now needed to overcome a filibuste

. >> my pick is in the "the financial times" titled why donald trump still needs steven bannon.him or loathe him, mr. bannon's perspective is consistent, it also comes closest to mr. trump's. the bannon world view is clear. he goes on to say it's quite possible even probable that mr. trump's actions took place in a strategic vacuum. he saw the syrian carnage on television and reached for his remote control. those 59 tomahawks could have been the munitions equivalent of a tweet. mr. bannon he says is the one who kept donald trump on point, working towards the promises, making sure everything has fit together. as he has had his role lessened in recent weeks, it's become more volatile. people are questioning the rational behind some of the foreign policy actions mr. trump has made, which makes it hard to predict. >> hard to predict, but moderate republicans saying more constructive. this time last week, we were talking about whether there would be a shakeup involving steve bannon. approaching the top of the hour, the team is getting ready for "squawk box." today steve liesman has a

bill kristol, let me start with you on the news that steven bannon, the president's chief strategist house, has been removed from official membership in the national security council. what's going on? >> i think some of the reporting suggests that the president's son-in-law jared kushner wasn't getting along with bannon and thought he was doing damage to his father-in-law and urged that bannon be relegated to a lower profile. that may be true. can't tell and this is a story about h.r. mcmaster, the national security adviser who now clearly has control of the national security council, who is bringing in pretty mainstream republicans and some bipartisan senior directors into that body. i think he's taking charge gradually very quietly of foreign policy to the degree he can. if the trump administration ends non-disastrously i believe historians will look back saying the day that h.r. mcmaster replaced mike flynn was a huge moment, went from having a national security adviser who is problem mat nick all kinds of ways to a really experienced and savvy professional who is used to assuming

he seems to like to have people play off each other, sometimes it gets a little tough as with steven bannoned kushner. he thinks competition is good. ivanka and her husband, a top adviser, they seem to be one of the power centers. >> the real question is the ability to get anything done. it's one thing to bring in people who don't necessarily have political or government experience because they are bringing some new, fresh insight. then you surround them or supplement them with people who are really experienced in those. this is a white house where there's no one who is experienced within the oval office which means there's good parts of that. we're going do things differently. we don't need to follow the same rules every other president did. i buy that. at some point, you are going to have to show that that's going to be successful. right now, whether it's on a budget showdown, whether it's the health care plan, whether we see it on tax reform, they have to deliver on being different. >> we have 1390 days. it's early. >> david, dan, amy, thanks. great panel. she's the coo of facebook, a mo

. >> you know, you have got stories now of like steven bannon saying to the president, i want to takeelsewhere, if you don't like me. anyone who knows steve bannon, he doesn't talk like that, doesn't say sentences like that. whoever put that out there -- it's not something steve bannon would say. he doesn't talk like that. he is a much more blunt instrument. there is leaking on both sides. the president is frustrated. my understanding is there is going to be some sort of kumbaya. who knows if this thing is going to work. >> i don't want to hear steve bannon singing. >> we are done with it on the. thank you both. >> sure shy if you hate tvatizing there is a show on fox news that doesn't have any. bill roel. owe riley losing all -- pretty much. i think there is one advertiser i think there is one advertiser left o that's coming up. it's off to work we go! woman: on the gulf coast, new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs. and each job created by the energy industry supports two others in the community. altogether, the industry supports over 9 million jobs nationwi

she stood next to him on the campaign trail, just alongside steven bannon, stephen miller. >> listen, takes a lot -- a president of the united states needs to listen to a lot of different voices. >> but why do we think she's a moderating voice? she stood next to him as we heard "lock her up, lock her up." >> also, though, since they have been in the white house has had an impact on a couple of things that a lot of conservatives are not happy about. effects on climate change or that the paris agreement. she and her husband believe that the president should continue to support that. a lot of people on the other side of that issue don't. so -- and she's also spoken to this fact, which i thought was very interesting, that her brother had said that she was the reason why the president went into syria. she said that's not the case. the president listened to all sides of this and listened to his military advisers, but certainly can't divorce himself from the fact and neither can she that this is an emotional issue. >> all right, anita, thank you. you two stick around. >>> up next, another re

that is that trump adviser steven bannon has been removed from his role on the principal's committeehe national security council. something unusual from the beginning. it's never been done, even in very political white houses. even with very political advisers to white houses. i'm joined on the set by jennifer ruben, an opinion writer for the "washington post." your take? >> several things. first of all, it is right and positive that steve bannon is leaving the national security council. i've been as critical as anyone regarding this administration. this is the first sign in a long time of grownup sentiment taking hold. we are at a critical point in our history, and we need to treat it seriously. point number two, you are seeing the pretense of getting along with russia and all of along with russia. all of the outreach, all of the nice words from the president of the united states evaporate, if you will, in the gas of syria. they're not our friends or allies. they're a reason we don't get along with them. and the president needs to realize this, and he needs to take action. >> third

giving of intelligence information over to intelligence chair devin nunes, his job was protected by steven bannon and some others after h.r. mcmaster, the new national security adviser, wanted him out. so we know that that may have ruffled a few feathers behind the scenes. i'm also told according to one of my sources that there are some tensions between bannon and jared kushner, who is of course the president's son-in-law and one of his top advisers as well. the question is what does that mean, chris? this is a big shake-up certainly. he's not going to be at the principal's table per se. he still is going to be in high-level meetings. he still has the highest national security clearance or security clearance, i should say, here at the white house. so he's still going to be engaged in a lot of these high-level meetings and having a seat at the table. however, he's not going to be making the decisions for the national security, particularly when it comes to some of those foreign policy tests that you just mapped out with north korea and with syria, chris. so this certainly is a big shake-up. less t

that group has several power centers, steven bannon, and the president's son-in-law, jared kushner.h of them at times tries to pull donald trump in different directions. politico interew nearly two dozen trump aides and allies and writes today so far trump has let a white house gripped by paranoia and insecurity, paralyzed by jockeying for power, and mistrutss for aides that runs so deep that many employ their own personal advisors. joining me now, andy card, he served as white house chief of staff under george w. bush. thank you for joining us. >> good to be here, thank you. >> when you read about that kind of dysfunction, isn't it the chief of staff's job to prevent that? doesn't it mean that reince priebus is not good at his job? >> it means that the president sets the tone at the white house. the chief of staff has a job to do but can't do what the president doesn't empower him to do. i happen to feel that the staff of the president should not be common in its thinking. there should be lots of different views there. should be a little tension. there should be a little friction.

after ten weeks, senior counsellor to the president, steven bannon has been removed from the nationalsued on tuesday, the joint chiefs chairman and intelligence director and out of the energy secretary and cia director and putting homeland security council under the national security adviser h.r. mcmaster's control a. senior white house official said bannon had only attended one meeting of the principles committee and was no longer needed to serve as a check on former national security adviser michael flynn. in a statement, bannon said, former national security adviser susan rice quote operationalized the nsc during the last administration. i was put on to ensure that it was de-operationalized. general mcmaster has returned to nsc to its proper function. last night vice president mike pence said the changes were nothing out of the ordinary. >> i think the president's action adding the chairman of the joint chiefs, adding the director of national intelligence and moving a couple of our senior personnel off the national security council just simply represents a very routine evolution of

health care and some of these hard line aks on immigration that were shaped by steven miller and steven bannon and jeff sessions have in a way in his mind led to his unpopularity. he's starting to rethink as he did during the campaign at many points the impact on how much you should way certain advisor, bannon is still in the mix. he hasn't resigned even though he lost some of his capital, he has been much more quiet, that doesn't mean he has gone away. >> rose: you don't expect him to go soon. >> i don't expect bannon to leave at all, bannon in his mid 60s this is the project of his life from hollywood to breat bart, someone at the fringes of american political life now finds himself at the center. he's not rushing for the door. >> rose: but the question is not whether he's rushing, the question is whether he will be pushed. >> i think the question whether bannon leaves, if he can repair his relationship with jared kushner, he will stay. if he cannot, and it remains as fiery as it is right now based on my reporting, that he could find himself out in a few weeks, even a few months. the problem

. >> the country is safer with steven bannon not on the national security council. >> this is just a natural evolution to ensure the national security council is organized in a way that best serves the president. >> on capitol hill today, after weeks of fighting over supreme court nominee neil gorsuch democrats are set to filibuster. >> judge gorsuch will be justice gorsuch. >> we are talking rain and quite a bit of rain. >> whoa, whoa! >> the latest round of severe weather that swept across the south is moving into the mid-atlantic. >> it's going to be developing even more as it heads towards the east. >> president trump defending bill o'reilly in the wake of sexual harassment allegations. >> o'reilly needs to go to jail. >> and f-16 crashes outside of washington. >> oh, my god! thank god he's okay. >> all that -- >> all the way back! george springer! >> weather sent spectators packing. >> all that matters. >> everyone has come together to join the protests against the new protest ad from pepsi. it's quite a concept, basically kendall jenner ends racism by handing a soda to a police

steven bannon has been the alt-right nationalist populist in the white house. fixed principles who often is influenced by the person who has his ear who he's speaking to. if steve bannon is gone, that may be a change in the administration. then of course we have jared, jared kushner, who apparently is being put in charge of absolutely everything. >> yes. >> so this will also, you know, i think shine the spotlight again on this family business and the possible conflicts of interest and is jared up to this job. >> it's interesting, charlie, there's rumors you could see reince priebus replaced about gary cohn. if that happens, if you see this preponderance of goldman sachs democrats take over the white house, what happens in the republican base? >> well, that's fascinating. we're seeing the first divisions in trump world we've seen since the election. clearly there are folks who are breaking with trump over what he did in syria. that transition, keep in mind that steve bannon has that whole troll universe out there, that whole media empire. and they're going to be

. >> steven bannon has been removed from the national security council. >> so, uh, what's been goinghat did i miss what did i miss ♪ >> what a perfect song. thomas jefferson what did i miss. >> not much. >>> welcome back to "morning joe." >> thomas, where have you been? >> where have you been? >> france. >> where have you been? >> south of france. >> south of france. >> and can you come back? >> anyway, that really does tell you since he has been gone, there's so many things that have been coming at us, a thousand miles an hour. >> the chaos candidate turned chaos president. with us, former communications director for ted cruz's 2016 presidential campaign, rick tyler. joining the conversation, steve kornacki and former treasurer and "morning joe" economic analyst steve ratner and eugene robinson from "the washington post." >> i had a friend that went to see hamilton, new cast. anybody around here see the new cast yet? >> no. >> i haven't seen any. >> haven't seen it at all. >> what are you doing, man? get over there. >> not one of the elites. >> oh, whatever. >> simple new england fo

. >> lou, he came in -- lou: you mean the tax cuts that steve bannon and steven miller had introduced principal idea for the candidate which he, by the way himself, had sought, but now gary cohn gets credit for all of that, fred? >> no, no. lou: i mean, this doesn't seem fair. >> he's going to change all that. you remember what trump campaigned on, and it was a plan drafted by steve moore and larry kudlow, and it was cutting the business tax down to 20% or low down from 35%, repatriating all that money -- lou: iç remember all of that. >> i don't think we're going to see that in the plan. remember, gary cohn's the guy that had a trial balloon recently in favor of a carbon tax. lou: i'm not sure it was a trial balloon other than maybe a perfect conviction on his part -- >> i hope it's a trial balloon. i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. lou: we're watching something kind of special right now, guys, no matter how anybody wants to turn it or twist it. we have got a real palace contest underway here. and i'm not sure that it's a values-oriented discussion, debate or contest, are you?

you might have noticed that among that crew steve bannon was there. steven miller was there. he fact that steve bannon this week was removed from the national security council and now we know that another member of that team is also leaving, k.t. mcfarland days after steve bannon left the national security council. ryan noblz, why is all of this so significant? >> first we have to say that the white house is describing her move within the administration as a promotion. she's actually going to become the ambassador to singapore if she's ultimately confirmed by the senate. but you're right, this shows that there is a different power source coming when it comes to the national security apparatus within the trump white house. and hr mcmaster, the new national security adviser is at the core of this base of power. k.t. mcfarland was his deputy and when i whe was pushed out forced to resign, her role within the national security apparatus became not quite as influential. mcfarland has said to be happy about the move to singapore. being an ambassador is an important position and sing

. >> lou, he came in -- lou: you mean the tax cuts that steve bannon and steven miller had introduced principal idea for the candidate which he, by the way himself, had sought, but now gary cohn gets credit for all of that, fred? >> no, no. lou: i mean, this doesn't seem fair. >> he's going to change all that. you remember what trump campaigned on, and it was a plan drafted by steve moore and larry kudlow, and it was cutting the business tax down to 20% or low down from 35%, repatriating all that money -- lou: iç remember all of that. >> i don't think we're going to see that in the plan. remember, gary cohn's the guy that had a trial balloon recently in favor of a carbon tax. lou: i'm not sure it was a trial balloon other than maybe a perfect conviction on his part -- >> i hope it's a trial balloon. i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. lou: we're watching something kind of special right now, guys, no matter how anybody wants to turn it or twist it. we have got a real palace contest underway here. and i'm not sure that it's a values-oriented discussion, debate or contest, are you?

> is there anything that congress is doing to speak up about the fact that you not only have bannon and stevenael anton and sebastian gorco affiliated with the nazi organization and also jeff sessions agrees with steve bannon 100% on immigration, there's nothing the congress can do about them being there, but have you heard a cry from other members that they're meeting with these people in the room? >> you're absolutely seeing a reaction from the american people. we have an amazing womens march, march for science today, you have people pushing back. it's very clear to me that there's a huge reaction to the racism and bigotry coming out of the white house. >> and i want to show you had a large town hall and of course you used -- you're one of our favorites in terms of twitter, you're great on twitter. and you trolled donald trump as you want to do and said this is a bigly crowd at my town hall last night. what was the biggest issue for people as they were standing up and talking to you at this town hall? >> everything. they were very concerned about the environment. they were concerned about th

. >> what is the role of the steve bannons or steven millers? is there economic nationalism like the one you had with global companies today? >> i don't think it's economic nationalism. people are running large companies. they're trying to figure out what's going to happen. you know, and how you should con figure what you're going. i happen to believe that infrastructure is something that will make an impact and that you know, there are a few areas where democrats and republicans even in theory, think is a good thing. now, forget the tragedy, of only being one major thing. but infrastructure needs to be done. we have deficits in infrastructure and it's hard to measure people have different large numbers, whether it's $2 trillion r or $3 trillion of what really need to be spent and we have a system that's stedesid to you can build almost nothing. the approval processes conflicting law us and regulations that don't fit and you know u, it takes in canada, and in germany, two years. to approve major infrastructure projects. here, it's somewhere betw

it was bannon, it was steven miller. you had those guys. now we have cabinet secretaries. we are people like the head of the nec who has been influencing his power. we have powell who is taking on a security role. to some extent, yes. at one point in the early day is not what it used to be. there are a lot more people who have been taking from the influence. >> they are of the kushner world and not the world. it is a whole other situation. >> powell is in there. it gives you a little sense of is sort of expanding. >> and again, in any other administration it would not be a source of comfort, but i would say that kind of game seeking hypocrisy is the best case scenario and the alternative was, you know, kind of fascist nihilism. >> and i would also say having my my wife working the and it helps to have had people worked in the white house before. it was frustrated to watch them come in because they have that experience. it turned out that it's a bizarre enterprise in which to work. they said we know how this works. there is none of of that in the white house. >> and that's

white house chief of staff along with chief strategist steven bannon interviewed gorsuch before he was nominated by president trump. they later appeared before right-wing activists at sea pack and told the crowd that a justice gorsuch would bring about a change of potentially 40 years of law. that is what this is about. this isn't about finding a consensus nominee who only calls balls and strikes, a nominee like mayor garland. this is about confirming a nominee who would guarantee 40 years, 40 more years of 5 -4 decisions favoring corporations over workers and consumers, preventing americans from getting access to the courts, favoring big dark money in our election and giving states a permission slip to target certain people with almost surgical precision. in order to make it as difficult as possible for them to vote. now judge gorsuch made great pains to paint himself as a mainstream judge. he said he was in the mainstream 99% of the time. that's not unusual. it doesn't really provide any insight into his approach of being a judge. after all courts of appeals are required to follow su

bannon and steven miller sitting in the back corner also one person where is kelly anne conway. >> thet served him well and there are consequences for that and i have to disagree. he had a rivalry with nancy reagan. >> yes, indeed. >> but the president has not been well by mr. miller, mr. bannon and miss conway who has been pushed out of the picture. bad advice on the muslim travel ban that's been struck down twice by the courts. a very divisive battle pushed by mr. bannon. mr. priebus some blame there as well. we've seen this over and over again. he casts them aside until he find the right combination but his whole career he's done that. it would be the upper hand. kushner and ivanka have been smart in stepping back and not getting dirtied in these losing battles of squandered first 100 days. it would be shrewd strategy. you need a strong chief of staff to control these rivalries. there's a great book called the gatekeepers that explains the modern history. the white house's only work in the modern era if you have a strong chief of staff and nic nixon's chief of staff is the one who d

goes back to free wheeling tweeter in chief role or if the disruptive would be chief strategist steven k. bannonnded with his core team over the past week and trump has adopted a different approach, more careful and consensual and brings him closer to the foreign policy mainstream but it also gives him a taste of the success he craves. >> a lot of people calling me up, what are you thinking about all of these changes and expect me to go i'm shocked. it's kind of like somebody invest your money in the stock market and they've lost your money for the past 60 days and suddenly they start making great investments. i'm not going to criticize that. we've all prepared for trump the disaster, trump the -- you know, how do you handle trump the succs if we keep movingn this direction? >> we'll see. think the public is right to be skeptical. those numbers are interesting. greater support but still a lot of misgivings reflected in those numbers. it's clear to me that trump has bonded with had core group and you list his secretary of defense jim mattis and rex tillerson, certainly list his son-in-law jared k

trump to moderate some tougher positions and on the other side of the ideological divide, steve bannon, steven miller and those who hold more conservative values and want president trump to stick closer to the literal translation of what he's proposed on the campaign trail. ap there's inherent tension between those two camps spilling out into the headlines lately and that palace intrigue has started to distract from the actual substance of what they're doing, it's clear that president trump wanted to put that to bed. elizabeth: you're gathering that it is a distraction. i'm wondering if that is part of his tactic to have an array of opinions, to have a very dynamic staff, if you will, people surrounding him. is that all negative? >> well, that's part of his. m-o. he likes to have dissenting voices so he can get a broad range of opinions and make the best decision. when it becomes a problem is when the in-fighting overshadows the product of the input that's taking place behind the scenes. and that's when it starts to become an issue for the white house. it's good for them to have that internal

this is a relatively safe audience for him despite the fact that steve bannon, chief strategist, and steveniller are proponents of economic nationalism. trump does feel like he's speaking the same language as the executives in the room. he talks as he often does about the confidence that has been infused in the economy since his election and since he's taken office he cited a number of 600,000 jobs that had been created. unclear which data he's referring to there. he has chosen and white house has chosen not to specifically address the march jobs report that was disappointing that came out last friday. he did cite the confidence of manufacturers, of ceos like those in the room and specifically name checked the ceo of ibm saying she's done great things with the administration. she was at that meeting with the german chancellor and executives from german multinational companies to discuss apprenticeships. you mentioned earlier many of these executives have been on this campus many times in just the last few months. it's unclear what they hope to get out of it whether they just want a seat at

in the early days, it very much was bannon filling the void, it was steven miller filling the void, which is why you had a much more bombastic white house thinking in much more dramatic tones on immigration or might do on visas. and the only caveat there is i don't think trump know what is trump he wants to be yet. so while he likes this approach that he's getting from the family. hemoswitch that if he feels like it's not working. where it might not work is, he's got to get legislatef accomplishments. if you want to get tax reform, infrastructure. you got to get it through congress. there is not a democrat in town who wants to do business with the trump white house. >> that itself not what the activists want. that's not what the money wants. that's not what the voters want. so he's got to figure out a way to thread that needle to get conservatives, you a thent tick conservatives in the house. >> does he have a better shot of getting through the legislation if they deal with the trump part of the white house that's a little more cent rift than this steve bannon white house that had existed

he got off to a horrible start when he was listening to steve bannon, when he was giving speeches written probably by steven trump is -- doesn't have a core idealogical world view. he's about winning and putting points on the board. and when the bannon philosophy didn't work, when it was an embarrassment, he decided to go a different corredirection. i think it seems to be working. my sense is that donald trump has turned a corner in the last several weeks. it feels like -- this isn't a left versus right thing as much as it's a sort of incompetence versus competence thing. >> steve, you brought up in the previous block about donald trump's base that is cultish, you said. donald trump took shots at goldman sachs, but here's a banker, does his base look at that and say, wait a second, i thought he was a man of the people. why is he hanging out with those guys? does it penetrate that support? >> let's think of that report. the one thing that came to my mind is to use a term coined by trump's cult, we're making globalist cuts great again. i'm reminded of the last primary in indiana where one of trump's cult memb

so even if bannon is ousted in some sort of shake-up coming in the west wing, there are still voices inside the white house. we have steveniller who came from sessions office in the senate and sessions is d.o.j. mick mulvaney at the doj. but bannon is the face of that ideological faction and his demotion would be a sign that trump is moving away from that ideology. >> does that lose supporters? >> some people are social media saying they stand with bannon and so far, and so on. this is the heart of the question. does trump need to rile up or hold on to that base in order to do what need to do both in governing terms and in political terms? and it's not clear that that is the case. you know? i mean, where would a die-hard trump supporter, a nationalist, a populist supporter, where would they go now and have him do what he is not doing? you have a whole bunch of policy items that this administration has to get on with and that is governing. that is not the politics of the moment. so if the populace aren't happy the way he is trying to build a wall or reset trade relations or the way he is trying to make our defense posture

and as you say, bannon may be a tough go for the president, butn he is along with a number of other people including stevener, another senior advisor to the president, these are the people who are the heart andnd soul of the president's spirit he brings to these issues of economic nationalism, populism and not very tone and the lineup" of wall street savants that have been brought in.at ha >> i think that's right. if you take a look at the victoria states that brought him victory. that's where economic patriotism and nationalism. america first. that rallied niece folks. then it provided the president. with the margin of victory that he has. if some how bannon left, you are heavy on goldman sachs in the white house. goldman sachs was not the reason donald trump won. with regard to the speaker of the house ryan. my view has sales been you have got the bannon, the conservatives, the economic nationalists and the conservative base of the republican party, they are both wings that you need. if you lose either one, you will be in real trouble. take the president. he has got a problem. i don't know that that heal

mostly aligns with that, making several calls over the weekend to my sources, bannon is isolated but still close with stevennet officials including general mattis and director of the cia, mike pompeo. with kushner there is definitely a divide. remember, you know this, joe. kushner and bannon became close during the campaign. they still have a rapport of sorts. it's a divide on policy. it's not like they're warring on personal matters but it's really about the direction of the policy. i'm told kushner is rattled by the poll numbers and wants to see trump do more that's mainstream that's tax cuts, that's centrist, not disreputation or deconstruction of the administrative state, to use a bannon term. that's the real divide. trump is okay with these competing power centers and hasn't chosen which side exactly. as we've always known, covering trump, the family, and in particular kushner, win out in these arguments. >> two words. family wins. if you look at the fact that the family could tell you how many breitbart stories attacked the family over the weekend. i don't know who steve bannon thinks he's playing wit

president trump use today refer to the two steves, but it seems like steven miller has jumped ship and extricated himself from stephen bannonred kushner on a bunch of their initiatives. charles: quickly, we have less than a minute but i do have to ask you about the mother of all bombs, how does that change the dynamic of foreign policy? chris: well, look, i don't think that this was specifically ized by donald trump. they make a big issue of the fact that they say that they have -- they are no longer micro managing by the pentagon as barack obama did, they say they get a lot more control to the pentagon and to the commanders in the field and i think this call was made by general nickelson, having said that, white house is not shy at all about the fact that this sends a message about the president and the willingness to project u.s. force that they hope is heard in the capitals of iran, syria and specially north korea this weekend. charles: well, speaking of edited comments, president trump promised to bomb the you know what out of isis. chris wallace, thank you very much. >> you bet, thanks, charles. charles: it's the linco

and as you say, bannon may be a tough go for the president, but he is along with a number of other people including stevensor to the president, these are the people who are the heart and soul of the president's spirit he brings to these issues of economic nationalism, populism and not very tone and the lin lineup" of wall street savants that have been brought in. >> i think that's right. if you take a look at the victoria states that brought him victory. that's where economic patriotism and nationalism. america first. that rallied niece folks. then it provided the president with the margin of victory that he has. if some how bannon left, you are heavy on goldman sachs in the white house. goldman sachs was not the reason donald trump won. with regard to the speaker of the house ryan. my view has sales been you have got the bannon, the conservatives, the economic nationalists and the conservative base of the republican party, they are both wings that you need. if you lose either one, you will be in real trouble. take the president. he has got a problem. i don't know that that healthcare thing is going to go