two academics who know egypt well, steven cook, author of "the struggle for egypt."ssoud, a professor at harvard university. welcome. you have travelled with him, when you were doing research on your book. what kind of a guy is he? >> mohamed morsi is -- the way a senior muslim brotherhood member described him to me, he is a fighting personality, which i think is absolutely right. he's absolutely a fighter. and he was one of the best muslim brotherhood members of parliament from 2000 to 2005 in terms of standing up to the regime, in terms of ferreting out its corruption and holding it to account for its corruption and failures. you know, a fighting personality is -- you know, a fighting personality. this is not a person who is seductive in the way that you expect politicians to be. not a glad-hander. not somebody who can really win over people. a lot of people have talked about his lack of charisma. >> probably a good thing. >> it may be a good thing, but at this moment in egypt's history, what -- if you really are serious about getting the military out of power, you