steven makes the more compelling argument. i will not be the one he's debating in the 20s. >> not to mention cramer's point.hing. it's hard to break when a stock gets into that. >> definitely. that's trading. we talk about a quiet market. you have a name like coach that's down 30%. i guarantee someone is looking at it. at some level there is value. whether it's a big private equity or someone comes in to look at it. i don't know if it's 37, 39, 23. i don't know. but the set-up hire -- and that's why i pulled the chart -- if you can play against the 37 bottom it's worth a trade. >> you're not worried it is a falling knife? >> it could be. in a trade you have down side. if you define the down side, the risk-reward makes sense. >> why coach? you have other names in retail to play and make money. >> like kors or dick's. >> or kate spade. >> redefine the fashion line. >> it's not a kors. this isn't about kors, spade or dick's. >> fair point. >> it's worth the trade in coach. >> tell us who you think won the debate. use hashtag bull or hashtag bear. want to move on to unusual activity. options traders are making