steven elove is there, made this deal with his old company. phones, they're kind of neat-looking, but are people actually buying this phone? >> i think in isolation, the phone is actually not that bad, but it's a sea of a very competitive environment. if you look at if ever there's a market that's competitive, it's the smartphone industry. what we're finding is the industry is actually quite healthy, the numbers are still pretty strong, but all of the handset vendors are having quite a bit of tough time at the moment, because the competition is increasing and we think the profits for everyone is actually decreasing. now, for nokia, they're in a difficult situation, because they only have about 2% to 3% market share, so they don't have the volumes, they don't have the scale, and they don't have the resources. and this is happening in an environment where more new devices from apple will come out, more new devices from samsung will come out. still very tough for nokia. >> it does sound like it's very tough. so why do you say in your note, mark,