that doesn't help steven frazier that may of to expand his job search to stay in the airline industry. >> you might have to go out of state or out of town or might have to go to texas. >> those states have single digits unemployment. >> with me in the studio is economist jed kolko with the public policy institute of california. i'm looking at those numbers, the recession was over but it doesn't feel like it. >> technically searches did endt means the economy started growing again. the economy starts growing people don't hire right away. businesses may increase their output but they'll use workers and machinery they already have. the hiring happens when they are sure there will be enough growth in the economy to warrant hiring new workers. so unemployment will continue to rise. >> that is not encouraging. >> so it has weakened until the end of last year and it has fallen since then. we're at the unemployment employment is growing faster than in the labor force that is when the unemployment rate finally falls. >> this recession and compare to what you see it historically this? >> has be