steven hahn former fda commissioner under president trump.is. really appreciate the opportunity. >> rebut the presumption. i talked to a couple doctors. they said you don't want to get it don't get it. that is my choice. that's the end of it. what do you think of that decision? >> so what i think is that we should all be who are eligible getting the vaccine. i think we have plenty of data to show it is safe and effective. i think there is a missing point here. certainly the data suggests you could have a breakthrough infection with one of the variants. that is true. but the disease tends to be mild. so it prevents severe disease and hospitalization and as you've said multiple times nothing is perfect. the key here is transmissibility. what we've seen with the variants is there is increased risk of transmission. if we're going to put this behind us, get beyond this, no longer going to have mandates about masks, going to go see a major league baseball game and the super bowl, etcetera, we have to get as many people vaccinated as possible. vacci