the ceo of united health group, steven helmsley.ary, $3.2 million. >> incredible gross profits of the private health insurers industry that is at the core of the problem. >> robert greenwall is a producer at brave new films who produced that documentary. thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> is the open that you get some of that outrage you saw when we first heard some of the enormous bonuses wall street was receiving, are you looking for that pitchfork anger from bailout rage that so many people had? >> what we're looking to do is focus the debate and as you said before, number one, go on offense, but, number two, it's really important that people understand steven helmsley is making over $100,000 every single hour in 2009, and you know the way he's doing it? bide by denying you care. by preventing your family from having health insurance and paying out the clamenims. this is a direct relationship. he makes millions of dollars by not paying the health care -- >> we heard from the white house they were going to get people fro

the ceo of united health group, steven helmsley.n. >> joining us from los angeles is robert greenwadl, a filmmaker behind sick for profit. what strikes me, robert, is we when you talk about death care panels and who deserves right to live or right to die issues when you don't have enough money to make that decision yourself and understandable fear about the government making those decisions, health insurance companies make more money if they are good at making sure they don't have to pay for people that are going to be expensive in the last six months of their lives, correct? >> that's absolutely correct. it's an issue that, unfortunately, has gotten lost which is why we decided to do the short documentary, which is to remind people and to educate them that fundamentally, steven helmsley is rewarded every time he says no to you and every time he says no to your family, he makes more money. we got photos of his mansions. we have records about his three-quarters of a billion dollars in stock option. and what we must remember is all of

three days later senator conrad met with helmsley and top united health group lobbyists simon stevensas since that meeting led an effort to create nonprofit cooperatives, "businessweek" reported. state medical cooperatives would propose a far weaker competitive threat to private insurers. conrad said the idea of co-on-s came out of conversations from my office. he said you're barking up the wrong tree. cop ops were not discussed. the senator met for 15 minutes to discuss care coordination, and how that could lead to both cost savings and better health care outcomes. and to benefit insurers who could handle the cost of care coordination. only the largest insurers, such as etta, wellpoint and united health group could do that. late this spring on the finance committee in which conrad sits, it was reportedly planning to have you pick up 24% of your medical bills on top of your premiums. but then, quote, stevens and his united health care colleagues urged a more industry friendly ratio. the finance committee decided now that you will pay 35% of your medical bills on top of your premiums.