i'm dino and fossil face was my friend steven j. gould and we grew up together in queens.s ago, you know, very tragic. but he was a great friend to me. and great influence. and we used to go to the american museum of natural history together, bronx zoo. if i could interrupt myself there was a story about the scopes trial and i forgot and i just want to throw that in. 'cause i love it so much. you know, brian died right after the trial. some said after a broken heart because his beliefs were so mersly attacked by darrow. darrow said, i don't think if anything to heaven or hell. after 30 years as a trial lawyer, i have so many good friend in both places. [laughter] >> and there's a little poem about that that i like to quote, too, from darwin's nemesis, samuel butler, who was a great writer. and he wrote a poem that i thought connected him very well with darwin. it seems nobody had noticed this. it was called "life after death" and what he wrote was this, a sonnet. we shall not argue saying twas was thus or thus. our arguments hold drift. we shall forget who's right, who's w