so, as steven kinzer said in central america it's the most profitable thing going so that's what they use in the 1980s so why wouldn't today. in that sense there's a pragmatism, use whatever revenue on whatever commodity is available regardless of legal status of the thing so comparing it to the other things you mentioned, social media, i think there's a terrific -- [inaudible] [inaudible question] >> i will say david cartwright's new book, one of the more better-known drug historians has a new book out over the last year called the age of addiction. it basically does take this big ambitious sweep and you know, the modern world in terms of various things we are addicted to including video games and so on. i don't go there but it's provocative reading and i certainly recommend it. i do conclude the book and one thing i do go out on a limb a the last page of the book is to say that i've talked about these relationships in war and drugs but maybe we should also think of war itself, war as drug. because some of the psychoactive effects of war can be considered drug like and the adrenaline

tuesday steven kinzer is going to present the history of the cia also outside events and tickets are still available for monday's conversation and for jonathan his foreign talk on wednesday. tonight we welcome gary marcus, author of rebooting ai which is a human in jeopardy does not single engine signal we are on the doorstep or super intelligent machines. taking inspiration from the human mind, the book explains that if we need to advance our social intelligence to the next level, suggestive we are wise along the way we won't need to worry about a machine overload. finally a book that tells us what ai is, what it is not, and what ai could be, if only we are ambitious and creative enough. he calls it a lucid and equally informed accounts. gary marcus is a founder and ceo of robust aim's founder and ceo of geometrics intelligence he's published in journals including science and nature, he is the author of guitar zero and rebooting ai. thank you. >> thank you very much. [applause] 's is not what we wanted to see, let's see if it will go missus not good. okay maybe it will be all right.

steven kinzer, well known to everyone here, senior fellow at the washington institute and of course, an award-winning journalist whogt over the course of his career covered more than 50 countries on five continents and steven spent more than 20 years working for "the new york times" and is a foreign correspondent bureau chief and among his numerous claim books include the 2019 volume poison are in chief. obviously topical for the discussion today. with that, let me turn the microphone over to peter andreas. [applause] >> thank you all for coming. if you aree here because you think this is about the made for tv dvd, killer hi, sorry to disappoint you. i am sure that dvd has and will outsell my book tradeha genre fr that i believe listed on amazon is horror / comedy so my book is definitely horror and there's not a lot of b comedy in it andn fact, the title was not my selection but my choice for title originally was the subtitle of the book, a history of waras in a six drugs but let me give you a few highlights of the book. when i try to do in the mirror 300 some pages is retell the hi

guest today is stephen kinzer an award winning foreign correspondent and bestselling author here's latest book poisoner in chief examines the cia's search for mind control steven you know this is an interesting topic and we're going back in time here back to this fifty's and sixty's when we talk about mind control and i'm sure many people will roll their eyes but this isn't the conspiracy the cia's m.k. ultra project is now part of the public record thanks to a 975 congressional investigation when did the program begin and what was its goal why did we have this program. in the late forty's and early fifty's when the cia was in its infancy leaders of that agency were seized by a terrible fear that the soviets or the communists had somehow found the key to mind control this was a mistake this was not correct of course but they felt that this was a terrifying threat to the united states and the only way to stop it was for us also to find the key to mind control so they went off on this crazy search and the feeling was that it was so important since the prize of success would be something like global mastery that the death of a few people or a few 100 people would