she just so happened to be chief of staff to the former acting irs commissioner, steven miller, who resignedeting scandal. even with all that, remember what the president told bill o'reilly about the irs. >> there were some boneheaded decisions. sg boneheaded decisions but no mass corruption. >> not even mass corruption. not even a smidgeon of corruption. >> morgan right is a cybersecurity expert and jay seculo is chief legal council for the american center of law and justice and represents dozens of conservative groups that say they were targeted by the irs. >> jay, i want to start with you. what do you view as the most significant development? the commissioner went to the white house 31 times? >> that's obviously very significant. the fact that her e-mails are gone. as you said, they are no longer in existence. you have to ask, and i think it is clear, we have six other officials whose e-mails are also wiped out. there is one critical e-mail and this is the connect to the white house. there was an e-mail between lois lerner and nicole plaque, the chief of staff. it said, we want to look at

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additional employees, including nicole, who was the chief of staff to then deputy commissioner steven millers is missing a year of e-mails around the time the cincinnati field office was told to up the pressure on conservative groups. when asked about the missing e-mails, josh ernest said, you never heard of a computer crashing before? cyber security experts say e-mails simply do not vanish. listen? >> this is an episode of the sopranos, when six witnesses of the government disappear at the same time, that's more than a coincidence. when six sets of e-mails disappear at the same time, it's not a coincidence, it's a conspiracy. >> the commissioner is back before congress on friday and next week. >> trace, thank you. >>> earlier tonight i sat down with an attorney who represents tea party groups targeted by the irs, and she's not happy. >> good to see you. now we know it's not just lois lerner's e-mails who went missing but others as well. >> there's something crazy about this. there's all these federal laws that all these employees documents and files and correspondents and e-mails be maintai

among those irs workers, the former chief of staff, the former acting commissioner, steven miller. and irs technician say they first realized lerner's e-mails were lost not over the past week, but in february or march, months before they informed congressional investigators last friday. the current irs commissioner, is scheduled to testify before congress on this very matter this very friday. and a new report that the phoenix facility at the heart of the veterans affairs scandal actually paid out $10 million in bonuses over the past three years. to trigger those bonuses, of course, workers allegedly covered up lengthy wait times that put patients on secret wait lists. we're coming right back. ck. >> why aren't we hearing about the cause of this flood of children who are being exploilted for political purposes at our border? we'll talk to former democratic congressman dennis kucinich about it all. we asked people, "if you could get paid to do something means keeping seven billion ctransactions flowing.g, and when weather hits, it's data mayhem. but airlines running hp end-to-end sol

steven miller the acting commissioner testified last may there was nothing he irs or he had done wrong. that was a lie. we had danny werfel dispatched by the white house last may and testified there was no wrongdoing even though the didn't interview until employees and that was a lie. >> and we can go back to other scandals, fast and furious and benghazi and seems to be a pattern of behavior and it gets worse. >> that's right. we learned today the commissioner of the irs, you heard his name a lot in the news, he's been giving to the democrats all these years upwards of $85,000 of his own money, the commissioner of the irs, since 1980 he has given to every single democratic presidential candidate including barack obama in 2012. that's when all the scandal was going on. first, we have the irs losing the e-mails and now we find out the epa has also lost e-mails. >> i heard about that, too. also, we went over the timeline of that. the timeline is very suspicious. you have lois lerner and 10 days after the scandal investigation begins, hard drive crash, the other people's hard drive crash,

scandal, including those of nicole flacks who was the chief of staff to the former irs commissioner, steven miller, who was fired in the wake of the targeting of conservative nonprofit scandal. clearly this dog has eaten the seven employees in miles. i sure hope it is sent to the pound's and because he is gentle damage and trying to conduct this investigation. the reason why this touches on the justice department, of course, is the justice department is in charge of the investigation of the irs starting scandal. it has been moving with glacial pace. i cannot say they have not interviewed anyone, what of the players i know they have not gotten to them yet, and it has only been 13 months. they must be moving with all deliberate speed. in addition, the head of the investigation is barbara boxer man, a career justice department trial attorney, but she is also one of the most important obama campaign donors. almost $7,000 to president obama's reelection -- original election campaign. an original supporters during all the way back in the primary season of 2008 when harry glenn was the clear front runner

. >> they had steven miller who was then the tax chief, testify before them weeks before the scandal broke, and he told them, there is no targeting going on. it was so clear, his testimony that they called him back, once the scandal became public and they learned there was targeting, and they had this exchange. they asked, why did you say that? >> i did not mislead the committee, i stand by my answer then, i stand by my answer now. harassment, discussion that was part of that implies political motivation. there is a discussion going on. there's no political motivation. >> it's like -- as much as the american people hate congress. you have to pardon them for their skepticism in this case. >> right, and we're talking about his words and what he's told everyone, but let's not forget, that this was not only targeting for political reasons, this also goes outside the scope of the irs which is why we're looking at these e-mails in a skeptical way. they have all the e-mails that were sent to irs officials inside the irs. the ones that are missing are going to the white house and the departm

steven miller who was the acting commissioner testified last may that there was nothing that the irsr he had done wrong. that was a lie. we had danny worfel dispatched by the obama white house to go over there last may, and he testified in june of last year there was no intentional wrongdoing, even though he did an interview, that was a lie and now we have koskinen. this is the problem. the irs is the problem. that's the problem. >> and the question is are we going to get to the bottom line here ultimately were they able and capable of destroying all the evidence? 90% of the american people fox news polled, jay, think that the irs -- that these files were deliberately destroyed, these e-mails. even 74% of independents and 63% of democrats. this seems to be a growing scandal, cancer is beginning to sort of work its way certainly around the irs, maybe the white house? >> i think so, sean. there is no way that these e-mails vanished, okay. first of all, there are recipients of these e-mails and are they going to come out and say all the recipients that received lois lerner's e-mails. th

including those of nicole flax who was the chief of staff to the former commissioner, steven miller,who was fired in the wake of targeting conservative nonprofit scandal. so clearly, this dog has now eaten seven employees' e-mails, and i sure hope they send him to the pound soon, because he is doing untold damage in trying to conduct this investigation. the reason why this touches on the justice the president, of course, is the -- justice department, of course, is the justice department has been moving with glacial pace. i can't say they haven't interviewed anyone, but of all the players i know, they haven't gotten to them yet, and it's only been 13 months. so they must be moving with all deliberate speed. in addition, the head of the investigation is barbara bosserman who is a career justice department trial attorney, but she's also one of the most important obama campaign donors, almost $7,000 to a president obama's -- to president obama's original election campaign and an original supporter starting all the way back in the primary season of 2008 when hillary clinton was the clear