i have a couple of small comments for steven moore. he bragged about the 45 million or so jobs that were created in the last 30 years. may i remind you, mr. moore, that slaves had jobs. and the second comment is we should have had a little moderation about shipping all these jobs overseas. i mean, we just keep buying stuff? we have to borrow money to buy it? it doesn't make snens to me. guest: if you look at the census bureau just came out with new stats tiss ticks on this, the average compensation to workers, when you adjust for inflation is up about 25 or 30%. so it's not true that we're creating less, lower paying jobs. the good news is, though, that if you look at how we get out of this crisis, i think it's pretty clear. we've got to get government under control. we can't pass the cap and trade bill. i agree with you, we don't want to create incentives for american ind stroy move somewhere else. cap and trade taxes, higher taxes do that. we have the second highest corporate income tax in the world. even countries like sweden and ger

. >> joining us is steven moore from "wall street journal," and dana millback, "the washington post." good to see you both. dana, what did you hear? you're a reply wall reporter, darn good political reporter, what did you just hear? >> larry, i think you got all the answer you needed in the steamer that he started with there. so clearly the answer is, yes, it's just a question of the timing. given the trouble they have already inflicted on themselves, they won't want to go into an off-year election next year with the central focus being a new tax high. it is inevitable, and i think that's what he's saying, at some point people will have to accept the pain. i think mr. geithner and president obama would rather perhaps the next guys accept the pain. we always seem good at putting off our diet here. >> the only other possible interpretation is they're going to cut spending. i don't believe for a moment they're going to do that. steve? >> of course not. the easiest way to bring the deficit down in the short term, the dana, why not just get rid of the $600 billion of stimulus money that ha

steven moore of ""the wall street journal.""ians are handling the problems similar to what rand parodied in 1957. he runs the ayn rand institute. would you go see this brangelina movie? >> i would a movie that -- that didn't work out, that deal. what i hope is any movie sells the book. you talk about heroes of capitalism. this book is about the heroes of capitalism and businessman. it is about, you know -- them being heroic not just from the economic sphere but being moral and ethical heroes. only book in history to portray them like that. and what we can hope is a movie never will capture whole book. go read the book. what the movie will do is sell books. that will be great. >> stephen, seems like all we hear about today is villains, capital its. >> many true. i wrote in my piece about this, about rand that became like the biggest piece in "the wall street journal" the last six months about how we are reliving -- but my last line of that piece was, you know, i'm not so sure we need to make a movie out of this because we are liv

i have a couple of small comments for steven moore. e bragged about the 45 million or so jobs that were created in the last 30 years. may i remind you, mr. moore, that slaves had jobs. and the second comment is we should have had a little moderation about shipping all these jobs overseas. i mean, we just keep buying stuff? we have to borrow money to buy it? it doesn't make snens to me. guest: if you look at the census bureau just came out with new stats tiss ticks on this, the average compensation to workers, when you adjust for inflation is up about 25 or 30%. so it's not true that we're creating less, lower paying jobs. the good news is, though, that if you look at how we get out of this crisis, i think it's pretty clear. we've got to get government under control. we can't pass the cap and trade bill. i agree with you, we don't want to create incentives for american ind stroy move somewhere else. cap and trade taxes, higher taxes do that. we have the second highest corporate income tax in the world. even countries like sweden and germ