erica just did this great interview with steven moore. he and larry cudlow and another economist got together to put their conservatism on display. this is the wrong thing for trump to do. jonathan martin, why is the president doing it any way? >> because he is a long time believer in protectionism. if you look at the arch of his public life, the one consistent view he has had is on the fact that america is somehow getting hosed when it comes to its trading, that we need to get even or even get revenge with some of the folks reportedly taking advantage of this. this goes back to the early 1980s back then. the bad guy was japan and korea but now it's china or the eu. this is consistent trump, but this is the one real moment where substance actively he appears to be bumping up against conservative orthodoxy. moore saying the vast majority of gop members of congress feel the same way. you don't start trade wars. this is a -- it is who trump is and it's always has been. >> i like steven moore saying to you my advice to the other countries is

talk more about this, we are welcoming in the ceo who says his company has been impact and also steven moore who advised president trump in the campaign. so, i know that neither of you agree with this move that the president has announced. steven, he has suggested that this is supposed to level the playing field with companies like china, but as an economist, you disagree. why won't it work? >> well, sut interesting that the ad, ana, that you ran was run by this alliance for manufactu manufactures. i don't know who they are r but most of the ma manufacturers are against this, because those companies that make the cars and trucks and vans, and even caterpillar, they use steel, right? so it is going to be actually going to make their products more expensive. i believe in the end it is not going be saving manufacturing jobs, but it could end up costing manufacturing jobs. now, look, i think that donald trump truly cares about the workers in michigan and ohio and kentucky and where the steel and aluminum jobs are in danger, but it is the wrong way to go about it. in the past, we have had various

council of economic advisers under ponn and the senior economic advisers to the trump campaign be steven mooreening. this announcement could come tomorrow. sources say it's in part an effort to help him rally voters for the republican candidate in the pennsylvania special congressional election. is this going to back fire. >> look, i can't speak to the politics i'm a policy guy. but this is bad policy. it's destroying more manufacturing jobs nan it saves. it's going to cost even in the steel industry more than a million dollars a job. the economic advisers are leaving the ship as quick as they can. >> what do you think, steven. >> well, austin is pretty much right about that. it's bad policy. austin is right -- i've been saying the same thing when you have 50 workers using steel and manufacturing down for every worker that produces steel, you know, you could stee a net reduction in jobs. look, i think donald trump's heart is in the right place. i do think he cares about the steel and aluminum workers. i traveled to a lot of the areas where factories have left. i just don't think this is the wa

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let's discuss this with steven moore, former senior economic adviser for the trump campaign and billstal, editor of the weekly standard. great to have both of you here to talk through news of the day. stephen moore, tariffs. it sounds like they are still ironing out the policy on this. i heard you say you think this is a bad policy. what don't you like about tariffs? >> well, i'm not in favor of tariffs blanket. i think the steel and aluminum tariffs are going to be counterproductive, alisyn. i don't even think this is going to save the kind of factory jobs that donald trump wants to because so many americans are using steel, not uproducing it. he really does care about these workers. he's been to places like michigan, pennsylvania, and ohio where a lot of americans feel like trade is responsible for the loss of their jobs. but i think where this is headed right now, alisyn, is in the direction that i'm more comfortable with, which is to really tailor and target these tariffs toward the real bad actors on the international scene. countries like russia and china which are cheating and

even steven moore urging the president to reconsider his plan in an op ed he cowrote which reads in partely believes his steel and aluminum tariffs will save thousands of blue collar jobs. but even if tariffs save every one of the 140,000 or so steel jobs in america it at risk 5 million manufacturing and related jobs in industries that use steel. you likened the proposal to imposing sanctions on our own country, called it a crisis of logic and aggressive of tax on low-income families. not mincing words here. has there been any response to that op ed. >> donald trump who i've talked to many times about trade protectionism since i first started working with hip two years ago, knows my positions and larry's position as well. i think he made the wrong call here. i think he does care about these steel workers and aluminum workers in the midwest who are worried about losing their factories, the point we were making, this isn't going to help our manufacturing sector because for every worker that's employed in steel and aluminum, there are 30 or 40 that actually use steel and aluminum and their

. >> navarro who is this is crazy fringe character and larry kudlow and steven moore who are the oppositede in the universe embodied the preposterous vacuum at center of this. >> obviously to argue that donald trump does not have a sophisticated understanding of various views ob trade is sound. however, of all of his sort of weird policy flips and flops, this is the one for 40 years he's been talking about. we should have tariffs on china. >> no, the japanese, in the '80s he was on oprah saying the japanese. you have like kudlow and moore to me, ali, that is what we have seen from domestic policy from trump largely. >> basically normal doctrine. >> the wall street editorial page being yeah, dude, cut corporate taxes. >> kudlow who may or may not be auditioning was on today talking about the fact this is going to be canada and mexico working together to shut things down with bad china trade and then you saw a tweet from the president earlier today saying we're going to going after china on intellectual property. all over the map. the problem is, working americans could do with a president

and outfront now in former white house adviser steven moore and rice. thanks to both.kin has been on death watch as we have been saying for weeks. president wanted to get rid of him let it drag out in public which is humiliating from shulkin which clearly made bad decisions when it comes to travel. but we are now 50% according to brookings. is there a method to the madness of running an administration this way? >> well, it is madness. i don't think there is a method very much, erin. the problem is when you run an administration in which you have so much turnover and the president is actually firing like mad, it creates a kind of chilling effect through the administration. people don't know how long they'll be there. their assistance and career civil service doesn't know what kind of the management structure is going to be. these are complicated departments. i ran a department and i served in three separate administrations. it takes a long time to figure out what you are doing. i mean, even at the best of times. and even if you have the full support of your president. l

joining us is former economic adviser steven moore and also financial analyst rob wilson from philadelphia impose the tariffs within the next couple of week, and does it give the markets any time to make an adjustment? >> well, the markets did adjust, fredricka, and they went down a lot when trump announced ate couple of weeks ago, but what is interesting is the evolution of the debait and one thing they have learned working with donald trump, and what is the best selling book that he wrote "the art of deal "i and he is a negotiator and started with the hardline position a couple of weeks ago saying it is a blanket tariff and then the leaders took note of that around the world and he is pushing back in a strategic way where he ends up and at the end of the day, this is where we will end up, that the ur tariffs will be targeted toward towards the bad actors, and those are the countries specifically china which we know is stealing our technologies and it is not, you know, huge trade deficit with china and they are enabling what is going on in north korea, and so russia and other country, but

joining us is author of the upcoming book "the common good", and steven moore. been sounding the alarm about conflicts of interest in the white house. the fact that kushner's family business was granted $500 million in loans, what do you make of that? because kushner's lawyer and everybody and the companies say there's no there there. there's no connection. >> well, first of all, anderson, it's not just the conflict of interest. it's also the appearance of conflict of interest. the reason that we have these ethics laws in government. the rein that the constitution talks about no emoluments. if you have someone getting money for a family business, the public cannot be confident that that advice is going to be in the public's interest. >> do you agree with that? the optics of this? >> well, first of all, i knew we were going to talk about this, so i did call the white house today to find out, you know, what jared's position is, what his response is to this, and it's just three sentences, but i'd like to read it to you and your audience, because he needs to be defe

. >> but i read the piece that you wrote with larry kudlow and steven moore.d, then you think this is flawed. why would it be flawed? >> because you are depriving americans of high quality products at low cost and consumers are just as important as producers. anytime you do any impediments to the free trade, you hurt both the country that is exporting to you and yourself. it makes no sense whatsoever. and i don't see any logic literally for putting on tariffs in this country today at all. it will hurt the economy and it will hurt people too. just normal every day people. and i'm from youngstown so you know, from a steel town, steel family. >> so if not by protectionist policies, then what is the response to those foreigners who flood our market with cheap steel or cheap aluminum? >> if you want to do something, if you want to protect the steel industry, write them a check. sub city kiz them si industry, write them a check. sub city kiz them sdize them bu accrued blunt poorly designed tool like a tariff to try to protect the steel industry. go in there and do t

this is a measured targeted approach -- >> lawrence cudlow, arthur lafr, steven moore, big supporterspresident trump, campaigned advisers to president trump, they wrote in a cnbc article this weekend, president trump genuinely believes that the steel and aluminum tariffs will say blue collar jobs. it puts at risk 5 million manufacturing and related jobs in industries that use steel. and this is an argument that you hear from a lot of republicans. you might be protecting 140,000 americans and hurting millions more. >> sure. and i know larry and steve. we were brothers in arms during the campaign. and i'm totally in sink with them as the president is on things like deregulation and tax cuts. larry and steve have never, ever supported the president on trade and when the president ran against 16 other republican candidates, all 16 of those candidates didn't embrace his trade agenda either, he beat them. larry, steve, they can have their points of view and i agree with that but they're dead wrong on the economics. there's no down stream effects here. there's only the president for national

he and steven moore worked on the trade platform during the campaign told us stories ant whisper ng thedent's year on an airplane ahead of a rally speech to insert a line or some language about trade this would not be a fresh xherz. >>. >> no, exactly m look, he has said that the tariffs would be a prosperity killer. he has talked about the notion that our allies are not, should not be hit with this but remember, he's been tough on china. back to something rick santelli said i was larry's partner for years. he did not say these stocks would go up. i said these stocks would go up, okay that's not r la rry's job. he's a multiyear thinker he's never been about individual stocks one of the keys to prosperity in the country is the stock market, so if he was brought in, it would not be about you know, this is way the industrials are going to go. my partnership with larry was based on when i said say something then what it would be good for i want to make that clear. if the stock market goes up, that's good. if tariffs hurt 6 million people, that's bad this is not about buying the stock of the

. >> i found it amusing this week watching the likes of steven moore, who advised this president on economics going on television and hyperventilating about a potential trade war. donald trump ran on this. he said he would end nafta. he did pull the united states out of the tpp. which is still existent. we're just not in it. he already said he wants to destroy america's international trade relationships. do you find it as amusing as i do to watch republicans express shock that donald trump is wrecking the world? >> we told him. we told him. even if they weren't listening, we have been telling them for two years on this show, almost every weekend saying how terrible this is going to be. look. it's not that the wheels came off the wagon this year. it's that the wheels were never on in the first place. he's been running a dysfunctional white house from day one. he doesn't care about the country. he doesn't care about governing. he only cares about trump. we've known that for decades. not yesterday. not this week. we've known that for a very long time. you know, people around him like to say, you

talking about how trump's policies reforming regulation of cutting taxes and larry kudlow and steven moore's policies of supply side economics could be a turbo charge to the market and i thought the market would be 25,000 by this time. charles: but we're there and now where do we go? >> what i see in these numbers like you said is those tax cuts are already coming into effect in the sentiment report because small businesses are out there and creating job openings. i see regulation reform in there , and the construction jobs with that huge move. i think 80% of the small businesses in america of the employers of most americans and i think small businesses now say hey, i have a fair shot. i have more money in my pocket book, more money in my paycheck, and i take that extra money and i can grow my business and i think it's all about growth right now. that's the event. charles: aaron you talk about trade and perhaps cost increase. what does the market fear most because only a couple weeks ago we referred to inflation being too good and now we're afraid things with deflation, i don't know it feels

jane martin, juan caseo, karen adams, angelo farrow, steven bus, cindy river, laura clark, cynthia gomez and gordon moore. others are welcome to speak. it's best if you line up on the screen side of the roome. and you can approach in any order. ms. clark? line up on the screen side. that's helpful. >> laura clark. we've sent you proposals that we have to get more housing build in conjunction with central soma. i think you've seen a lot of our demands. i'm happy to see that the planning department is incorporating a lot of our proposals into what they're thinking about. i also know that other people in other departments are thinking about incorporating a lot of ways to get a lot more housing built in conjunction with this plan because we're going to need to deal with the fact that we're adding a lot of jobs. and not opposed to adding a lot of jobs, but we need to recognize that we're signing up for a lot of housing. we've had eight jobs for every one unit of housing added. i appreciate that the planning department has a lot of plans that it's put in and done a lot of legislation, we need to understa under

moore. and the east bay saw a big part of this "pineapple express" (steve) and im steven aveson.ow : still look slick. that's where we sent kron 4's charles clifford, he is live in lafayette for us with what is happening right now. charles?