there's a huge book by steven pinker called "the better angels of our nature" -- >> yeah. >> -- where he proves beyond doubt that it's a much less violent world. >> and yet we seemed to be -- we seemed to be -- >> seemed to be -- >> -- focused more attention on, then, these more isolated or more random acts and we elevate them to a place where it's all we talk about. >> that's right. but the figures are all pointing the other way. murder is what he concentrates on. >> yeah. >> the figures are way down. the reasons he gives for this inventure printing, very important, the rise of women, the state, leviathan taking the monopoly of violence and saying -- >> yep. >> -- we're the only ones who are going to have weapons. that's -- america conspicuously declined to do that. >> well, i was going to say, it doesn't sound like the america i know. >> no. >> i mean, in fact, the rever- -- here, it's -- we're an outlier as far as believing that the better course to pursue is to leave weapons in the hands of everybody. >> yeah. that's -- and the good guy must have a bigger weapon than the bad guy.