steven pinker paints a picture of our history in which supposedly everything was worse, when we wereory, we were raging these tribal wars — that is sort of the pessimistic view. what i am trying to show in the book is that actually civilisation was, for most of our history, a big disaster. it started the age of warfare, of patriarchy, of hierarchy, of infection diseases like we are dealing with right now. and actually the lives of nomadic hunter gatherers were much healthier and happier and more relaxed than the lives of the city dwellers and the farmers who came after it... but how on earth... ..and why do we remember this because obviously we have made a lot of progress in the last couple of decades. how can you posit that the cave dwellers and the hunter gatherers were a happy people living in a state of sort of pure innocence? you have no idea! they had not left written record and you are just sort of imposing some sort of quasi—religious world view upon this sort of age of innocence, aren't you? no, i'm not. it is obviously hard to know how our ancestors lived 30,000 years ago.