and i had really no desire to interview steven powell at that time. zero.away with another man. >> it was another man. >> i don't think josh was in the room for that part of the interview. and before you know it, he ends up revealing the biggest bombshell out of all of the interviews that i had done out of the whole case. what makes you think that she would leave? leave her kids, her two young sons and run away with another man. >> and one away with another man. >> susan was very, very sexual with me. she was very flirtatious. i mean, she was just -- she did it. i did it. i mean, we interacted in a lot of sexual ways because susan enjoys doing that. >> but this is -- >> i enjoy doing that. >> why are you telling everyone that? that's not to your benefit, but somehow in my dad's own twisted mind, he thought that that was the greatest strategy to keep the dogs off josh or something. i don't know. >> one day we were at an animal park. i was holding braden in my arms, and i had my hands like this. the part i remember is that susan came over to take him from me,