want to learn about anything they have the values of people who want to be rich and famous and steven van stay with you is be humiliating yourself in front of millions of people is that a value. is that something that we should think is a social positive good well i don't know if they. get to do is two different things here there's the audience and then there's the people who are going on t.v. i'm not sure that the people who are actually on t.v. . think of themselves as being humiliated they getting famous that getting attention and even negative attention is better than being ignored it it's a very primal thing you pay attention to things or people who are important you ignore everybody else most of the audience is ignored there are people on a television program they're getting attention they getting fame and they're being paid they know probably don't see it is you really is ok city how about you or is it all of these programs truly reflect the values of society because i guess maybe i am a snob i would like to think for society has higher values than a lot of these programs not all o

murder trial of steven patrelli the 24-year-old hayward man accused of killing a san francisco police officer four years ago. investigators say he was leaving the scene of a robbery in a stolen van when he crashed into the officers patrol car killing the 39-year-old veteran police officer. besides the murder charge he is facing counts of conspiracy, robbery and vehicular manslaughter. >> police in east bay say a weekend rally in support of meheserle was peaceful despite a small number of counter protestors. 20 people gathered right in front of dublin city hall yesterday, protesting meheserle's involuntary manslaughter conviction. they say the fatal shooting of grant was nothing more than a tragic accident and wanted to show their support for meheserle and the police officers who risk their lives in the line of duty. >> we want to come out here and say thank you to them and tell them we appreciate them and also would like to send the message that meheserle was wrongly convicted of involuntary manslaughter and would like to see him set free. >> four people there to show support for grant say they will post pictures of the meheserle supporters online. meheserle is scheduled to be s