mark: that was mike murphy talking about his long time feud with stewart stevens who he had as a guest on his podcast. it's called radio free g.o.p. available on itunes. the two long-time republican consultants have been bitter rivals until recently. they have come together to face a new obstacle, donald j. trump. mike is with us from los angeles and for the first time in tv history, they say we're joined, he is joined by his new chum, stewart stevens, working as a senior strategist on many presidential campaigns including mitt romney's in 2012. stuart, what do you and mike see the same regarding trump? stuart: well, i think it proves that age old "maxim" that disgust conquers all. you know, mike and i both have worked for candidates across the spectrum in the republican party and have worked for people we really care about and are proud of and see donald trump as someone who is completely out of the mainstream of how we would like to define politics and specifically the republican party. donny: stuart, in your wildest dream and you have worked on some very well known campaigns, us her

. >> stewart stevens, there's rush limbaugh to talking to trump supporters every day saying they don't care about any of the specifics, really, not even the wall. they just care that he sound tougher on this than hillary clinton. >> look the whole thing is just a confusing mess. remember donald trump put out a written statement at a time when he was not putting out many written statements calling for a total and complete on muslims hchl he said that was until the government could figure out what was going on. if he's against that, now and he's rejecting the idea of a muslim ban, which is a religious test, does that mean the government has figured out what was going on. it's all very confusing. the idea of deporting these people, i mean, he talked about a deportation force, which is always kind of confusing because we have ice which supports people every day. and now the wall that mexico is going to pay for, apparently, is going to be like a virtual wall. it's all -- at his core, donald trump is the guy trying to up sell you to get under coding and he needs to talk to the manager. >> jo

stewart steven summed up the criticism of trump's tweet.hy did donald trump pair this tragic death of his mother with african-americans will vote trump? >> i think number one he did express sympathy very abundantly at the ohio rally. >> three hours later. >> he's under scoring the fact that we do have problems in the inner city, often affecting african-americans more than other populations. the big story isn't what he tweeted, it's the 6,000 african-americans who have been murdered this year. that's where we need to be focusing. the fact that a republican candidate or any candidate is reaching out and talking about that should be a positive thing, not just for african-americans but for all of the country. if you look at the failed policies that we have seen in so many of the inner cities run by democrats and the fact that the murder rates in baltimore and washington, d.c. and newark and chicago have skyrocketed this year, that should be a campaign issue. it's what are we going to do about this. >> the candidates often use tragedies to discu

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joining me, stewart stevens. david axelrod, also a senior cnn political men tacommentator. to do mock debates, poring over binders, memorizing one liners. he'll prepare the same way he prepared for primary debates. do you think it's wise, the if it ain't broke don't fix it model? >> i think primary debates with a lot of candidates and one-on-one debates are very different creatures. that said, it's been my experience good candidates know how to prepare their own way. when i did debate prep for then-governor bush and cheney in 2000, they both had very different styles. cheney liked lots of mock debates. governor bush didn't. they both did well in debates. these are very, very different creatures. >> david, for secretary clinton, i don't know that she's ever lined up psychology experts to figure out how to get under an opponent's skin before but she certainly never debated somebody like donald trump before. what else would you advise her to do to prepare? >> i think the most important thing is to find yourself a debate partner in your prep sessions who can simulate the kind o

. ♪ john: we look now at stewart phineas stevens, the former senior strategist for mitt romney. us from annapolis, maryland. stewart, you come on the show, you were never trump. let's get that out of the way. if you weren't never trump and you had to advise trump and he faced a set of challenges -- on issues like immigration, say, and how would you advise him to do that and give him what your advice would be, how do you think they are doing at it right now? >> listen, the cynic candidates that are doing much better than donald trump are a good model of how to handle this. in all these battleground states, the republican candidates are running ahead of donald trump. most of them are talking about jobs and the economy. issues that more affect people's daily lives. this notion that the trump campaign or donald trump seems to have that crime is a critical issue at this moment or even that americans are walking around with fear of isis is just not true. i think that is part of the reason it is not resonating. alex: on the flipside, if you were advising the clinton campaign, what shou

i talked to stewart stevens, he said right now trump is driving around in circles in a cul-de-sac. only appealing to people that already bought his product. so we'll see if clinton and trump do that in the weeks to come. >> we would take either of them at any point in time. brian, thank you so much. thank you all for being with me here, i'm brook baldwin in new york. "the lead" starts now. >>> thank you, brand new polls out in just a moment, "the lead" starts now. two battleground states with deep routes possibly flipping. 120 killed, dozens buried. one mayor saying his town is no more. we're live at the sight of the devastating earthquake. and why are life saving epipens soaring in price and what happens to the

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justice powell, justice stewart, justice john paul stevens. it was a very different dynamic. so who knows how it is going to be this time a year from now but it's a hot issue because people realize what is at stake. >> it's a very valuable book. >> with the senate today debating the second amendment, senator cruise this morning said this debate over the no-fly rule was an affront to the second amendment. and i thought this was surprising for someone who considered himself a strict construction a list. as a columnist in the "washington post" points out, the second amendment says that a well regulated militia is part of the amendment to talk about the regulation. .. chief justice burger himself was famously quoted as gun ownership [inaudible] it took years of political mobilization to get d.c. against heller up to the supreme court for the decision in 2008. if you go you go back and look at heller, heller was not a blanket anything goes under the second amendment. the second mma conveys your right to have a handgun in your home for self-defense. it doesn't have assault rifles o

stewart was a graduate of yale. he left his papers to yale with the stipulation that they be closed until the last justice he served with retired, and that was john paul stevens who retired in 2010. then the papers opened, and they're really interesting. we use several interesting collections of justices' papers for the book. but stewart was assigned to write the opinion for the majority. it was 5-4 in harris against mcclay saying there's no constitutional obligation to pay for abortions for poor women. stewart's draft9 of his opinion -- draft of his opinion in his papers and was published as he wrote it, he said: the financial constraints that restrict an inty gent woman's ability to enjoy the full range of constitutionally-protected freedom of choice are the product of government -- are not the product of government restrictions, but rather her indigency. not certainly medically-necessary abortions. the fact remains that the hyde amendment -- which is still the law, as you know -- leaves an indigent woman with at least the same range of choice as she would have had. okay, think about that. and we write: this was warren burger's constitution in the raw. the

steven gillford from stewart frank el. and cnbc's very own rick santelli checks in from chicago. sarge, i mean, look, we don't learn a whole lot new from the fed minutes but markets seem to take a little comfort from it here. the markets coming back into positive territory for the most part. >> yeah. i mean, they bought utilities and the odds of a rate increase actually dicreasing from september to 26% to 18% this afternoon. and for this year say december from 53% to 45% this afternoon. so maybe james bullard hanging on to his dovish stance. maybe fed minutes. but people are seeing less of a chance for september high right now than this morning. i want to go into what the playing field looks to me. core retail sales. housing starts crack the 1.2 resistance level. core cpi. even the fed is posting 1.46 head cpi going forward which is up .6 from where it is now. basically everything plays into in my opinion, the need for a rate hike sooner rather than later. i understand they take a pass in september. >> now rick, the interesting thing is i guess yesterday and repeatedly over the w

stewart papers are at yale university. he was a graduate of yale. he left his papers to yell with the stipulation that they be closed until the last justice he served with retired. that was john stevens who retired and 2010 in the papers opened and they're very interesting. we use several interesting collections for the book. stewart was assigned to write the opinion for the majority. it was five to four and it said there was no constitutional obligations to pay for abortions for poor women. i will read a bit of the spirit in his draft of his opinion which is in his papers and was actually published as he wrote it he said, financial constraints that restrict a woman's ability to have the full range of choice are not governmental restrictions on abortion but rather on her indigency. although the congress has medical necessary. [inaudible] this leaves a woman with at least the same range of choice in deciding whether to obtain a medically necessary abortion as she would have had if congress had chosen to subsidize no healthcare cost at all. think about that. this was warm burger's constitution in in the raw. the public health concerns for the states by poor women unable to obtain a saf