yes, we see at the top there an e—mail from stewart wainwright, an e—mail from stewart wainwright, aning _ rubin, and you can see that they are discussing the fact that i think at that stage a small number of members of spi-b_ that stage a small number of members of spi—b had joined sage, independent sage that is, mr wainwright says it issues real issues — wainwright says it issues real issues of— wainwright says it issues real issues of trust and policy makers to bring _ issues of trust and policy makers to bring things to committee as a safe space _ bring things to committee as a safe space if— bring things to committee as a safe space. if you look at the e—mail before — space. if you look at the e—mail before that, so back to the next page _ before that, so back to the next page you — before that, so back to the next page. you can see professor rubin saving _ page. you can see professor rubin saying that — page. you can see professor rubin saying that the hse will presumably want us _ saying that the hse will presumably want us to— saying that the hse will presumably want us to ado