>> stickney: right. >> wertheim: i-- i'm out here with an irrigation contraption. >> stickney: exactlythe adults have to step in. when covid first hit the u.s., some students wanted the school to continue as usual in spite of california's lockdown. administrators intervened, padraic macleish among them. difficult conversation? >> macleish: it wasn't an easy one, but it was an important one. uh, you know, defining the limits ofself-governance are part of talking about what self-governance actually means at deep springs. >> wertheim: and speaking of experiences not offered at state-u... >> gipson: ease on up here. >> wertheim: ziani paiz was preparing for an adventure, driving cattle on horseback up a remote mountain top for summer grazing. >> paiz: we're going to chase 'em up. we'll keep them where they need to be. we'll work long hours. we'll read sometimes. >> wertheim: it fell to tim gipson to get her ready for that journey. we talked to ziani, she'd never been on a horse, barely, before she-- she got here. >> gipson: she's from east l.a.. ( laughs ) >> wertheim: how-- how'd you swin