i have stiewmentds at sing sing who have read the entire textbook before coming to class. i couldn't say that -- some of my students at colombia. not all of them. so i'm teaching that. my wife teaches english literature at sing sing. it's part of mercy college. it's a four-year college degree program. all privately funded exempt for the prison itself. no prel grants, no federal or state money. we have a non-profit called hudson link that deals with that. my son made a film called "zero%" that will be on nationwide tv soon. that actually describes the whole sing sing education program. >> what's that experience like teaching at sing i think? >> well, i'll tell you. it is such an emotional thrilling, rewarding experience both for my wife and 05 to teach these young men and some of them older people who have committed heinous crimes, murder, what have you, see the error of their ways and turn things around and the education process as well as the ministry program is extremely important. there's nothing like a graduation smoan. they bring in a major name of one sort warren buf