stockman's comments about the lower class, the poor, the dirty.ing, yipes, what we're really focusing on today in public health is being able to interact with the community, get the community involved in what we are doing. >> still, she says the tension hits home. >> he's not right in everything he says but, gee whiz, don't you want to listen to the truth? >> such questions were then taken up by panel members -- an emergency services paramedic lieutenant. >> during the pandemic, which this play resonates so deeply with, there was such certainty in the way people spoke, that they planted the seeds of the automatic response when people speak from such certainty, of, how do you know what you're talking about? i know i didn't know what i was seeing. i saw it frontline. i was going to on average 13, 10-13 cardiac arrests a day. i didn't know what was going on. how do they know? former nih director dr. francis collins - >> i'm always looking to find a hero. i always feel like there ought to be one. i didn't find one in this play. >> a local business own

stockman's comments about the lower class, the poor, the dirty, and i was thinking that what we are reallyocusing on today in public health is being able to interact with the community, getting the community involved with what we are doing. >> still, she says the tension hits home. >> he is not write in that she is not right in everything he says, but don't you want to listen to the truth? >> during the pandemic, which this play residence so deeply with, there was such certainty in the way people spoke, that they planted the seeds of the automatic response when people speak from such certainty of how do you know what you're talking about? i know i did not know what i was seeing. i saw the front line. i was going on average to 10 to 13 cardiac arrest a day. how did they know? >> former nih director francis collins. >> i'm always looking to find a healer. i always feel like there ought to be one always. i did not find one in this play. >> a local business owner. >> but how do you gain back the trust of officials and government and people that are in charge that you believed in the beginning?

stockman, you may speak.said, "i object, there's no theater on a dead planet" at that point still thinking he may be a plant. and part -- that the director put into -- in to throw me a curve ball. i went out and started pushing him out of the theater. i was not trying to hurt him. i was doing it very safely. but then i realized, oh, he's a real activist. and then there were some other activists who stood up in different parts of the theater. i wasn't offended. i wasn't like how dare they interrupt my play! i think they did it in a constructive, respectful way, although if it happened in the first three scenes, it would have been very kind of disrespectful. >> how do you see the role of art, of theater, of acting in our politics, in our world today? >> people receive so much information these days, constantly through social media, through television, through, you know -- news, all the time. and a story like this, you know, engaging in a story can really give a kind of wider perspective and maybe, you know, mak

my question is -- they are familiar with the work and the book was written by david stockman, omb directorand got in trouble. they spoke about the fact that the things have to be done is raise taxes and aying the deficit and debt don't matter. going to the spending and on de an act of futility. at to spend ourselves intoe -- into o the economy. we'll be in the same position a argentina. i would like your response. >> if i thou going to happen, i would give up. i'm not giving up. the![ it, i don't know if anybody would do it. we have a unique position in earmarks and the various other programs that we brought up. i'll repeat what i said before. we're only ten people. you are right, it is a massive problem. you have to ticket little until you make progress. saving $2.4 inception of the organization is not a small number. we're going topointing out where the waste is. there are members of congress who are helpful maybe you change an administration. i need help. and so that's where we are and we're going to trying to fight the good fight. host: all tom schatz is president of citizens against g

my question is -- they are familiar with the work and the book was written by david stockman, omb directorey went ahead and got in trouble. they spoke about the fact that the two things have to be done is raise taxes and cut spend. it is politically untenable. then we have the deficit. people are saying the deficit and debt don't matter. going to the spending and on debt. this is really an act of futility. at some point, we're going to spend ourselves into live -- into oblivion and ruin the economy. we'll be in the same position as argentina. i would like your response. >> if i thought that was going to happen, i would give up. i'm not giving up. if the organization didn't do it, i don't know if anybody would do it. we have a unique position in terms of the earmarks and the various other programs that we brought up. i'll repeat what i said before. we're only ten people. you are right, it is a massive problem. you have to ticket it little by little until you make progress. saving $2.4 trillion since the inception of the organization is not a small number. we're going to keep going and point