but i think the nato countries, led by a great secretary general, jen stoltenberg, also understand china is -- the belt and road initiative is now in 16 countries in eastern europe. the chinese are actively trying to separate countries in eastern europe from the european union and nato. if you think about chinese energy activities and military activities in the eastern mediterranean sea which is part of the nato littoral geography, and think about the interests of germany, of france, italy, any of the nato countries, they've got to be concerned about what's happening in the threats against taiwan, in hong kong, and the economic practices of china. my last point would be, if we can coalesce with the european union, the united states, and japan on some of the economic issues, we're well more than 60% of the way. i credit the secretary general, i credit ambassador kay bailey hutchison who was our great american ambassador under president trump, she pushed this issue and she was right to do that. >> and do you think china has become concerned about nato's increasing interest in what china is