yeah, i help started the center that's now called the center of communicative science at stone brooke university taught over 8,000 scientists and doctors to communicate better around the country and across the world. we have a lot of experience so i have a lot of experience to draw i think. other than the fact that you did this program, is there a particular reason you draw scientists and doctors. >> it was mainly of the program. i was learning so much from the scientist that i was talking to. the reason i was learning is we did not have a conventional interview. we did it the way you did it which is just a conversation. i saw the real them coming out. i saw their passion coming out and who ever they were came out. i thought i want science as they learn their science and how they do this and what science is really like. we think and we hear one year red wine is great for you and next year we hear it is not so good for you and we think well, they cannot make up their mind or it is just another opinion. no research study is all in the window. it is always more that's one that needs to be known. i