into the moved political arena or electoral banks own it the place as storr durbin said. redirect contributions to charity. -- if president to, a spoke as i urged him to leaders of citizen groups, charitable groups, religious charity charities, in washington as did, urging them to give more money to tell, it with create more jobs. the private fund sector, the huge job ctor, is a producer and if the president or 15 billion 10 more a year you would get hundreds of thousands of new working to help young hildren in need or to clean up the environment. they would expand all of these groups.it host: how big is the nader operation these days compared to the most?ere doing guest: well, you know, i spin off groups. not a control streak. we have probably created close groups directly and indirectly all over the country. the student public interest groups which i hope the -- ring tongues will foundation will write up. we have the pension rights spin them off. public citizen the bpweubiggest. i don't believe in controlling. our nader people do raid raider reports they were the author