build a rifle club, statewide and you were a nra affiliated rifle club and they would compete in stoughton local , -- state and local, national shooting matches. steve: would they recognize the nra now in 2020? mr. charles: oh, not at all. the organization was not intended to be political in any way. i think you can say as late as the mid-1960's, the heads of not seeanization could what the in array has become today. one, it became a political organization, not focused on mentoring thend national guard. in the 1950's and 1960's, the they did not said want to be a partisan organization. that would be a disservice to the nra and the merck and people. however, we know today they are closely intertwined and bootstrapped with the republican party. it was a patchwork of gun laws back then and today. how does that influence or the nra?e role of mr. charles: it depends on when you're talking about. early on, the federal government was not involved in gun laws at all. they were state, primarily local. dealers,s would govern shooting guns. the local laws would govern minor to the town. that continue

cause is not ok and they call on syria and russia to hold the aggression and nato secretary general stoughton back did not offer any concrete new have for turkey so far let's have a listen to a bit more of what you stoltenberg said today in brussels. nato allies provide support for turkey today and we all the month there is defenses we have a works playing helping to patrol the skies and we also have porter he sits on the support in all the ways but allies are constantly looking into what more they can do to provide further support for turkey and just a meeting we had today is sick clear demonstration of nato salute it in an expression of support from all that it all eyes to our nato ally turkey. while support but nothing concrete there from. from night daryn turkish president and russian president vladimir putin have spoken on the phone today they say they now want to meet in person as soon as possible how likely is it that they can hide down these tensions. well if anyone can do it who can be the. putin now these 2 men even though they have been backing rival sides in the syrian civil war h

guest: i would never use the word stealing and i would be quick to add that even six years after the stoughton disclosures, there's a lot that we still don't know and there's a lot we may never know. that might even be appropriate in certain respects when it comes to national security and state secrets. but we do talk and a book about the coverage of the "washington post" and october 2013. we do talk about the reports that suggest that the u.s. government either by itself or with the british government was tapping into cables, potentially undersea or land-based cables, to access data, that it may been happening outside the use of words and, therefore, the rule of law. so we were explicit then that that was something that concerns us. we were explicit with the white house and president obama in saying look, there needs to be some reform, and there has been some important reform in the six years since. so i actually think that it's good that generally speaking we learned more, the world learn more, and we could address perhaps a bit of an imbalance. >> host: do you feel that microsoft's manageme