which is a classic is a mature action so i think this is one of the things one way to create a stovepipes we may be setting ourselves up for a fall and more so in what we buy can we afford to have systems that are only good for a coin in counter insurgency and others in the only good for conventional sustain in the training our position paragon. i would argue that the biggest bang for our buck in terms of defense dollars is finding those systems that are crossed by trauma. that are useful for what ever the dumbing of conflict in this and when we may be surprised by is that it may not be in as much the pointy end of the. that makes a difference so i'll use the example of a finally got to start calling in the end, the top al qaeda leader in iraq. we cannot find him so well what was a military problem, and intelligence problem, the jordanians got a human intelligence tip that he was seeking the advice of a new religious leader. so they pass on that human intelligence tip to us, our analyst took that and said this is an important step, we're going to use this so they couldn't find him so they

hackers working for it which is a classic ascent letcher caption and this is when we create these stovepipes, we may be setting ourselves up for a fall and even more so in what we buy can we afford to have systems only good for counter insurgency and other once only good for conventional in the same in the training and organization. and i would argue that the biggest bank for the buck in terms of defense dollars is finding those systems that are cross spectrum. that is useful for whatever the domain of conflict is and what we may be surprised by is that it may not be in as much of the planet of the spirit that makes the difference. so, use the example of how we got zarqawi in the end, the top al qaeda leader in iraq. we could not find him, so while it was a military problem it was an intelligence problem. the jordanians got a human intel chip that zarqawi was seeking the advice of a new religious leader. so they passed on the human intelligence stick to a loss and our intel analysts said this is an important tip. we are going to use this so they couldn't find zarqawi savitt popped a set of d

you have people in these arcane specialties, the stovepipes all have elaborate security protection.as long as there's been a cia. there's just been a battle. now it's between the director of national intelligence and the cia director. part of the problem with these things being so secretive, the normal process of ventilation where people grow up and figure out a way to get along, doesn't happen. it stays secret, it stays suppressed. in this case we now do have a war between our director of national intelligence and the cia director. the white house is really sick of it. they think do we need this? no, we don't. i think they're fed up basically with the whole business. they're trying to stop it. but it is not the first time this has happened. i do think there is something that's a combination of secrecy and bureaucracy that produces messes like this. >> it's been that way for such a long time. rick stengel, there was even division in the bush white house. we always thought they were shoulder to shoulder but actually, "scooter" libby and cia issues, now you have dick cheney going out

is making sure the physicians and their great how they are delivering health care so operating on stovepipe you see the specialist and a specialist and information never exchanges hands. we feel comfortable of doctors talking to each other and one that doesn't happen health care costs go up. >> host: jacksonville, florida, couldn't quote morning to a republican cholera. >> caller: good morning. i have been on medicare for 12 years, i am 75 years old. whenever started i think it was around $40 that they took atomize social security check. in just over 12 years i have had three operations, hernia operation, hip operation, and tonsillectomy. i pay all my bills, every time i paid taken out of my check from social security and i added it all up, i've been on medicare 12 years and came up to $91 a month. i don't have a supplement program. now according to the republicans idea of socialized medicine medicare is socialized medicine. by the then read this big long bill that you just picked up there that is going to absolutely go nowhere in just cost the taxpayers a lot of money, you know that is not