i also have some challenges with the -- with the conversion from trade shop -- strad shtra is retail. it just means you have to make stuff there, and then, you also have to have some portion of your facility where you're selling it. so i guess i'm -- i'm not sure that i see a strong reason to convert trade shop, which is part of how we maintain pdr uses into restaurant. and in addition, i think if this were a regular restaurant, like a restaurant where you could sit down and order a drink, you could order wine, but the point was the culinary experience, i could definitely see that that fits squarely into why there is that restaurant exclusion from this district, but it's a brew pub, but i can't see it, so i cannot be supportive of it today. >> commissioner koppel. >> yeah, there's a bar right down the street from where i live, and one thing that sets this apart is they do allow all ages and they aren't open all hours, and i can't tell you how much it does to discourage your typical bar flies that are going to go to your liquor serving typical bars. i don't see this as being as horribl