strathclyde, sir john curtice. sir john, always a pleasure. you sirjohn, always a pleasure. wrote a stinging article, i believe, today . excellent stuff believe, today. excellent stuff on the fact that neither kemi badenoch or robert jenrick can do the job. tell us why. >> well, perhaps they can't do the job. the piece is slightly more circumspect than perhaps it's headlined in the independent. >> there are essentially three points to bear in mind. perhaps the most important of them is that neither robert jenrick nor kemi badenoch are terribly widely known amongst the wider public. >> between two thirds and three quarters are unable to give a view as to whether or not they think they would be acceptable or unacceptable, or whether they think favourably or unfavourably towards them, and even those who voted conservative in 2019, 20, 24. half of them again don't express a view. so the truth is, these are largely unknown characters. their ability to reach out to the wider public is certainly untested, and untried. that doesn't mean to say they necessarily lack the qualities, bu