and the thing about the straussians, and i think very much not known, is they defend religion up and down. they defended the creation battle, the pro-creationists in kansas, they defended the religious right in the 1990's, but they tmselves were not religious. >> what about mr. reid. he started the religious coalition. is he a christian person? >> ralph found faith in993. he became born again. >> what does that mean? >> he decided to turn his life over toesus and that to be his motivating factor in life. he was not a big church goer before that. he was at the time really living dangerously, living on the edge, if you will. and this came at a very important time in his life. >> is he religious now, if you think? >> he is still religious. he goes to church. his wife is religious. yes,hey go to evangelical -- protestant evangelical church. >> you did tell us about his wife. >> yes. >> and they met when he was like 16? >> yes, i think he waited until she was 18 or 19 to get married. but they met when she was 16 and he was 25, i believe. >> how did they meet? >> they met at a jesse helms