brought in to there and some vegetation is now growing to attract, in that streambed, if there was a disturbance of the streambed, they would have required it. >> because there's two mechanics and i have only 45 seconds to run this through. one was in many occasions where we tried to do good acts, my fear is that if this gets an expansive interpretation, all of a sudden, the good act are going to be required to get a 404 permit and go through those hoops. in some ways is there a potential we're creating a barrier. i'm going to let you sort of combine the answers. last time, i sort of walked through a scenario, okay, this isn't about the water. it's about anything that's a pollutant in the water. our little scenario of the dry wash behind my home and i put fertilizer and plants and sediment and 14 inches of rain i get a year that all come on a tuesday, it's running down the wash and hits the birdie river and the birdie river hits the salt river and runs into this rehabbed area. i use fertilizer, i move dirt. it potentially got washed down that dry wash into a running river. do i poten

if you're talking about dry streambeds that is lapd, that is not water and i think that concerns a lot of farmers and ranchers and lapd owners. >> i understand that and we're certainly talking to a lot of them about those concerns but we've tried to define which of those would be covered or that you would have to get a permit if you filled them or discharged pollution into them if they have the characteristics that water flows in it enough times that it creates a bed and a bank an an ordinary high water mark and that is a hydrologic science kind of determination. >> going back to my main point once again you all had the authority to regulate in many cases dry land, in many cases intermittent streams that would cover most of that area covered by the red and blue which again i think is about 99% of the western states, but let me go to the states -- i understand you have maps of each individual state that are in greater detail than the map that's on the board and that was in your preliminary report. can we get access to those state maps that are more detailed? >> if we -- i'm not aware of

if you're talking about dry streambeds that is land, that is not water and i think that concerns a lot of farmers and ranchers and lapd owners. >> i understand that and we're certainly talking to a lot of them about those concerns, but we've tried to define which of those would be covered or that you would have to get a permit if you filled them or discharged pollution into them if they have the characteristics that water flows in it enough times that it creates a bed and a bank an an ordinary high water mark and that is a hydrologic science kind of determination. >> going back to my main point once again you all had the authority to regulate in many cases dry land, in many cases intermittent streams that would cover most of that area covered by the red and blue which again i think is about 99% of the western states, but let me go to the states -- i understand you have maps of each individual state that are in greater detail than the map that's on the board and that was in your preliminary report. can we get access to those state maps that are more detailed? >> if we -- i'm not aware o

brought in to there and some vegetation is now growing to attract, in that streambed, if there was a disturbance of the streambed, they would have required it. >> because there's two mechanics and i have only 45 seconds to run this through. one was in many occasions where we tried to do good acts, my fear is that if this gets an expansive interpretation, all of a sudden, the good act are going to be required to get a 404 permit and go through those hoops. in some ways is there a potential we're creating a barrier.