i'm talking parts for people, stricker, smith and nephew. in the "ft" no confirmation from me at this point. read you some of it. citing sources, process at an early stage, exact value that stricker is putting on smith and nephew could not be ascertained but any offer would likely be above the 3.85 billion pound value, a report from the ft. that's why. exactly. >> get the right price. smith and nephew, hips don't lie, this is smith and nephew goes up against biomed. this is about hips, artificial hips. when you saw that merger the zimmer to buy biomet -- >> had been taken private many years ago, sold to -- right? >> you need to do a defensive acquisition. stricker buys smith and nephew, it's inversion, this is killing me that i didn't see this coming. because it's obvious that smith and nephew is a way to be able to do this inversion. it's a win/win. i think it happens. >> and i want to make that point. this would be another inversion. >> yes. >> for -- so stricker would, therefore, benefit from a lower tax rate in the uk and pointed out man