neither tron, unfortunately the price to people seeking us on the strider is ash and then kind of like this, frankly cruel one where there is a real, a real emphasis placed on creating harsh and unwelcome conditions to attempt to deter others from trying to come here and taking protection everybody's case is very different and what does what it would take for this particular family to be allowed to stay because it seems the burden of proof to validate any one's claim is always so very difficult to these sorts of circumstances. that's right, and i can comment on the individual circumstances these families ties wanting. this is very well known as the community in queensland where we're living in the community is very came to have them back, making a great contribution in that community and in the state. the state and government is taking this, this extraordinary approach of spending countless millions of dollars to the time them to ship them to christmas island, to hold them in detention. they're pretty standard periods of time despite the distress of causes, despite the, the evidence th